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Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:17 am to hambones
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Is it even valaryian steel?
It is not believed to be. It is speculated it has similar properties.
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Only a knight of House Dayne who is worthy can wield it.
And the most prominent living "knight" of the Daynes is the Darkstar who has not appeared in the absolute abortion of a storyline that is television show Dorne. The titular lord of Starfall is Edric Dayne, who is in the band that split from LSH's Brotherhood group after the final death of Beric. As he also does not appear in the series, there is no LSH and Beric is still alive, there does not appear to be a Dayne "Sword of the Morning" anywhere on the horizon.
So, I don't expect to see Dawn in Dayne hands anytime soon. This may be an exceptional case, if Jon is AA and Dawn is also Lightbringer (which I highly doubt). Most folks think that Longclaw will become Lightbringer somehow. There have been discussions drawing the parallels from the stories of AA and his attempts to forge the sword, the symbolic sacrifices that he made. Of course he was trying to create the sword. Jon has no idea at this point. And, who knows if things like Ygritte will count.
Personally, at this point, on the show, I think it will be Melisandre that figures it out. They didn't do much (if at all) with Stannis' "Lightbringer" in the show, but that's pretty clearly a false artifact at that point. But Melisandre was involved with that.
The way the show goes, I can see that as either a twist or riff on the book faux "Lightbringer."
(ETA: I admit that this offseason is turning my posts into mid-level crackpottery at this point.)
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:24 am to ohiovol
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I don't think there is a wall at the end of the series.
I think it comes down at the end of the mid season finale.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:27 am to saintsfan92612
quote:I don't know, but the Lightbringer origin story alone should clue people into the fact that there is something profoundly evil about that religion. That, and the fact that Light bringer/bearer in Latin is "Lucifer."
So if this does happen...who is it that causes the sword to burn?
I'm not religious, but that does seem to be a conscious choice that GRRM made when coming up with names. Plus, you have the shadow demons, killer leeches and the burning of children, things that are not associated with noble, just causes.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:04 pm to blueboy
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I don't know, but the Lightbringer origin story alone should clue people into the fact that there is something profoundly evil about that religion. That, and the fact that Light bringer/bearer in Latin is "Lucifer."
I'm not religious, but that does seem to be a conscious choice that GRRM made when coming up with names. Plus, you have the shadow demons, killer leeches and the burning of children, things that are not associated with noble, just causes.
My personal take is that in the world of ASOI&F, all or most of the "religions" are based around people who have an inherent ability and/or training to tap into an ambient magic with no indication that any particular personification of the source of the magic is accurate.
And in our world there have been instances of things like child sacrifice, burning people, etc in religions people believed in. Heck, I guess even something like Passover does not seem that different. Than shadow demons.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:28 pm to Methuselah
quote:Right, and they were all fricked in the head.
And in our world there have been instances of things like child sacrifice, burning people, etc in religions people believed in
What I'm saying is that it doesn't seem as though it is worthy of being the power that resolves the story. I mean, if Jon were to "power up" his sword by shoving it down Arya's throat, after which he charges off to victory and glory, I think people would riot.
Rememeber, the sword was born when its maker killed his beloved wife with it. Killing Melisandre wouldn't do the trick.
quote:I agree, and I think one of the religious elements will prove to be the "true" one. However, I don't think it will be the Lord of Light (also a Lucifer reference) religion.
in the world of ASOI&F, all or most of the "religions" are based around people who have an inherent ability and/or training to tap into an ambient magic with no indication that any particular personification of the source of the magic is accurate.
Either that, or it will be something else, like the sacred power of female creation or buttsex or something.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:35 pm to PatDyesPants
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I hope that the entire first episode of Season 7 is set in Dorne, with extra time to discuss the political ramifications of the Sand Snakes' actions.
I can't help but feel that there may be some awkwardness between Dany and Ellaria Sand because of Dany's reliance on men as advisors. Seeing how ES responds to the Dothraki and vice versa will be interesting.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:38 pm to blueboy
Now that Jon is released from his vows, I'm shocked that Mel didn't take another shot at getting him in bed. Just has to make sure that necklace doesn't fall off...
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:43 pm to blueboy
Could it be that while Dawn leaned against the bed that Lyanna died on, it became Lightbringer? The offseason of GoT is dark and full of tinfoil.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:45 pm to hambones
The show runners obviously made it a point to zoom in on it after Ned leaned it there. Was that for no reason?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:47 pm to hambones
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The show runners obviously made it a point to zoom in on it after Ned leaned it there. Was that for no reason?
Once again a possible reason:
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And the theory for zooming in on it is that it fulfills the Azor Ahai prophecy of being "born under a bleeding star" since the sword was bloody and supposedly made from a falling star.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:53 pm to 1BamaRTR
whoops, i don't know how I didn't see your earlier reply. Thanks! Makes sense... 
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:54 pm to blueboy
If D&D follow the Nissa Nissa storyline, I don't see anyone else fitting the bill as well as Arya. It realistically could be done in a couple of ways without damaging Jon's character (too much):
1) He tries to intervene during an assassination in progress and inadvertently kills her while she is in disguise,
or
2) If she is caught (literally) red-handed, and as KitN, Jon must become her judge and executioner.
"He who passes sentence..."
Makes me ill to think about it.
1) He tries to intervene during an assassination in progress and inadvertently kills her while she is in disguise,
or
2) If she is caught (literally) red-handed, and as KitN, Jon must become her judge and executioner.
"He who passes sentence..."
Makes me ill to think about it.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:57 pm to 1BamaRTR
Honestly, I think half the shite they do with their directing choices is just to frick with nerds' heads.
Davos put it in its place the best:
"If your Lord commands you to burn children, then your lord is evil."
Davos put it in its place the best:
"If your Lord commands you to burn children, then your lord is evil."
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:57 pm to 19
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Makes me ill to think about it.
I would be depressed for weeks.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:23 pm to 19
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If D&D follow the Nissa Nissa storyline, I don't see anyone else fitting the bill as well as Arya. It realistically could be done in a couple of ways without damaging Jon's character (too much):
quote:Which is why I don't think it will happen. Even aside from the evil nature of the lord of light religion, the show and books' anti-religious dogma position makes me think that none of these religions will be the "winner."
Makes me ill to think about it.
The finale was full of anti-religious themes. Cersei blowing up the sept, Davos berating the lord of light religion and most profoundly, IMO, Tyrion's "I believe in nothing" speech to Dany.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:26 pm to glassman
I'll be really satisfied if Arya ever gets to reunite Jon or Sansa. I'll be sad if she doesn't. I'm leaning towards the latter being the case.
Predictions on what Sam will find in Oldtown?
My guess is a marriage document between Rhaegar and Lyanna?
Predictions on what Sam will find in Oldtown?
My guess is a marriage document between Rhaegar and Lyanna?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:29 pm to hambones
Rhaegar was married to Elia they never stopped being married. Jon is and will always be a bastard.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:30 pm to hambones
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My guess is a marriage document between Rhaegar and Lyanna?
That is certainly a possibility.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 1:32 pm to 1BamaRTR
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1. Non-book reader thread doesn't want book info in thread only show while this one involves both obviously. Also some of them don't really seem to pay attention to the show and post the dumbest things.
2. Not all Targs are fire resistant.
thanks! yeah, I've read all the books, but it's been so long I've forgotten the little details. Might have to go back and read at some point.
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