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re: GoT S6: E10 "The Winds of Winter" BOOK READERS
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:33 am to LucasP
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:33 am to LucasP
I don't get the "Sansa betrayed Jon" complaints by withholding the KotV info. She had at least 2 valid reasons for not telling him:
1) No guarantee LF would even show up
2) LF's first lesson to her-trust noone- not specifically Jon, you see, but including him as well. If noone knew there was even a possibility of tKotV joining the battle, then it could not be leaked to the Bolton camp.
All this Sansa vs. Jon crackpottery just makes no sense to me.
How good is WF gonna look with the Direwolf sigil back during the intro?
Speaking of WF, are we gonna have a Rickon burial scene in the crypts...preceded by a Bran flashback?
I wonder how the characters will find out about the Howlandreedian Theorem if nothing in the crypts...and HR doing...other stuff...
1) No guarantee LF would even show up
2) LF's first lesson to her-trust noone- not specifically Jon, you see, but including him as well. If noone knew there was even a possibility of tKotV joining the battle, then it could not be leaked to the Bolton camp.
All this Sansa vs. Jon crackpottery just makes no sense to me.
How good is WF gonna look with the Direwolf sigil back during the intro?
Speaking of WF, are we gonna have a Rickon burial scene in the crypts...preceded by a Bran flashback?
I wonder how the characters will find out about the Howlandreedian Theorem if nothing in the crypts...and HR doing...other stuff...
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:35 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I'd love for there to be interaction. I would see it going something like Jon gives LF a confused, bitter look and LF says something like, "You're welcome."
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:45 am to hambones
This bitch would have to make a cameo for that.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 10:52 am to OMLandshark
Don't you think LF's army is strategically put to face an attack from the north? All this talk of GOT is subject to game of survival.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:49 am to 19
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I don't get the "Sansa betrayed Jon" complaints by withholding the KotV info. She had at least 2 valid reasons for not telling him: 1) No guarantee LF would even show up 2) LF's first lesson to her-trust noone- not specifically Jon, you see, but including him as well. If noone knew there was even a possibility of tKotV joining the battle, then it could not be leaked to the Bolton camp.
The 2nd reason you give may have some validity. The first is one I've seen many places on different forums and it never made sense to me. In war, the worst thing you can do is withhold information. Including possibilities, probabilities and sure things. Heck in WWII I think one of Allies' advantages over the Axis was the ability to gather and disseminate and consider information. In particular I think the Japanese had something of an instituational problem sharing information between and even within services. Especially information that might not reflect highly on the person making the choice of what to share.
If I had to guess I would say the two most likely reaons Sansa withheld the info was:
1- She is a somewhat grey character and is becoming more so. Littlefinger's jibe at their Mole Town meeting "your half-brother's army" resonated because Sansa has always been about Sansa. And I think that's a good thing. We need a few more murky characters. Espcially if their arc is in the "Breaking Bad" direction.
2- I think they wanted a splashy moment where things looked very grim for the Stark forces and the calvary literally came riding to the rescue at the last minute. Not so much for us fanatics as for the more casual viewers. Having a discussion where they were discussed and incorporated into a plan would have ruined that.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:52 am to Napoleon
did the Hodor thread get deleted? I know it was started first.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:52 am to Methuselah
Hmm Jamie at the table with Walder, and then Bronn talking to jamie in Walder's spot seems ominous.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 11:57 am to Napoleon
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did the Hodor thread get deleted? I know it was started first.
Looks like it becuase it's not on the first 5 pages. Probably decided it was very un-Hodor of them to start so early.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:13 pm to 1BamaRTR
Have we discussed what LF means by "you know what I want?" in the trailer?
Does he mean power/the throne, or does he mean he wants the bad poosay? Perhaps both?
Does he mean power/the throne, or does he mean he wants the bad poosay? Perhaps both?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:14 pm to Napoleon
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Hmm Jamie at the table with Walder, and then Bronn talking to jamie in Walder's spot seems ominous.
Jamie is known to sit in people's chairs after they die.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:18 pm to Methuselah
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2- I think they wanted a splashy moment where things looked very grim for the Stark forces and the calvary literally came riding to the rescue at the last minute. Not so much for us fanatics as for the more casual viewers. Having a discussion where they were discussed and incorporated into a plan would have ruined that.
most likely correct.
either she's a moron or she's a villain if you really parse what she did and how she did it. i doubt that was the writers' intent
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:27 pm to ladytiger118
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Have we discussed what LF means by "you know what I want?" in the trailer?
I'm 100% convinced he's talking about wanting Sansa.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:33 pm to cgrand
I think Sansa's motivations are being grossly over-analyzed. All I see is a character who has learned to hedge her own bets having been burned relying on others to defend her interests. If this rationale puts her at odds with Jon, it still doesn't make her evil or even grey, even. Just mature.
Personally, I don't see a SERIOUS Sansa/ Jon conflict happening, especially if fostered by LF.
We will see one way or the other.
Personally, I don't see a SERIOUS Sansa/ Jon conflict happening, especially if fostered by LF.
We will see one way or the other.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:34 pm to 19
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All this Sansa vs. Jon crackpottery just makes no sense to me.
I think it makes a lot of sense if you consider that it could be a sticky situation determining who deserves to be the Warden/Wardeness of the North and heir of Winterfell. There's a lot of moving parts to it. If Littlefinger gets back into Sansa's good graces then he's absolutely going to plant the seed (that IMO is already growing) that she should be the one the North unites behind, not Jon. Especially since they don't know that Bran is still alive (of course him showing up changes things). More than likely the houses are going to back Jon despite him being a bastard because of the circumstances surrounding his rise to power.
And I don't put it past Sansa to make some shitty decisions to cut Jon out if it means her own self-preservation.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 12:49 pm to BluegrassBelle
And to think the thing that saved the North for the Starks is a damned bird flying successfully to LF.
How did she know where to send it?
How could she be sure he'd receive it and act upon it and get there in time?
If I were Sansa and Bolton had treated me like he did her, I'd damn sure have a better plan to ensure he was defeated than what she strung together.
Or course, this is historical/science fiction we are talking about...
How did she know where to send it?
How could she be sure he'd receive it and act upon it and get there in time?
If I were Sansa and Bolton had treated me like he did her, I'd damn sure have a better plan to ensure he was defeated than what she strung together.
Or course, this is historical/science fiction we are talking about...
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:01 pm to 19
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character who has learned to hedge her own bets having been burned relying on others to defend her interests.
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doesn't make her evil or even grey, even. Just mature.
What happened in your life that made you so hard and unfeeling?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
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if you consider that it could be a sticky situation determining who deserves to be the Warden/Wardeness of the North and heir of Winterfell.
Little Finger has a royal decree, he's warden of the North. What's sticky about that? You might not have voted for him, but like it or not, Tommen is still king.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:08 pm to frankenfish
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't t Sansa know LF and Lysa killed Jon Arryn? Surely someone can piece together that this whole war is his fault? Right? Bueller?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:15 pm to UMRealist
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doesn't t Sansa know LF and Lysa killed Jon Arryn?
Not sure about this. Show your work or cite your sources. Baelish is pretty good at covering tracks, not sure how Sansa would figure that out.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 1:19 pm to UMRealist
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't t Sansa know LF and Lysa killed Jon Arryn? Surely someone can piece together that this whole war is his fault? Right? Bueller?
I think in the show she simply says "I killed for you". Plus it was coming out of the mouth of someone who was utterly insane currently trying to kill her. She doesn't know the specifics.
In the books though, she did say that she put the tears in her husband's wine for her son and LF and that he also forced her to write Cat. And again this is coming from crazy person and Sansa's only focus was her survival and getting LF to say anything that would help her survive. I doubt she was really paying attention to Lysa's words, but she will think back on them eventually and realize what she was actually saying and what LF is responsible for. Like tears were the trigger word for Lysa, I think LF will tell Sansa she has a "soft heart" after he does something horrible, and then the pieces will all come together.
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