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re: GoT S6: E10 "The Winds of Winter" BOOK READERS
Posted on 6/23/16 at 4:31 pm to OMLandshark
Posted on 6/23/16 at 4:31 pm to OMLandshark
Ceresi and Tommen isn't going to be around long enough for LF's decree to mean shite. That was just his insurance before he knew JS was looking to take back Winterfell and to remove the Boltons.
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Posted on 6/23/16 at 5:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Exactly. LF knows that the Faith Militant has taken over KL thanks to Cersei's stupidity, and that the Lannisters' hold on the throne is basically done at this point.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 5:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Ceresi and Tommen isn't going to be around long enough for LF's decree to mean shite. That was just his insurance before he knew JS was looking to take back Winterfell and to remove the Boltons.
To be honest I think it's in LF's best interest for that decree to remain secret.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 5:34 pm to OMLandshark
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honest I think it's in LF's best interest for that decree to remain secret.
Wouldn't surprise me if Jon did what Cersei did with Robert's decree that Ned was to be King Regent after he died and tell LF to whipe his arse with that decree then kill LF.
Eta: I should walk that back and say I would love for Jon to do that if LF told him that he had a decree.
Although, that would pretty much force the south to move on the north.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 6/23/16 at 5:37 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Wouldn't surprise me if Jon did what Cersei did with Robert's decree that Ned was to be King Regent after he died and tell LF to whipe his arse with that decree.
What advantage does he have by presenting that decree? Literally no one outside of the Freys north of King's Landing is going to take it seriously. Everyone knows the Lannisters are fricked, and LF has now openly betrayed them. I see no reason why he'd ever use this, since it will only serve to make people even more suspicious of him and why Cersei would grant him such a title.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 5:41 pm to OMLandshark
I know he wouldn't do that. More of a "what if" situation.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 6:11 pm to OMLandshark
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I can never see LF crowning Jon Snow. There's no way he doesn't feel highly threatened by him.
LF won't have a choice if Jon is backed by the other Northern Houses. His entire hold on Sweetrobin basically hinges on Sansa. If Sansa wanted LF to lose control of the Vale, she very well could make that happen. LF's only play, if the Northern Houses back Jon, is to try and turn Sansa against Jon. And that will take some time to pull off if that turns out to be his play.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 6/23/16 at 6:24 pm to Bamatab
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His entire hold on Sweetrobin basically hinges on Sansa
Dude, did you not see that sweet arse falcon?
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:12 pm to LucasP
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Dude, did you not see that sweet arse falcon?
That was a pretty sweet arse falcon.
But I also saw LF shove Sweetrobin's mom out the moon door with Sansa right there.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:18 pm to Bamatab
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LF won't have a choice if Jon is backed by the other Northern Houses. His entire hold on Sweetrobin basically hinges on Sansa. If Sansa wanted LF to lose control of the Vale, she very well could make that happen. LF's only play, if the Northern Houses back Jon, is to try and turn Sansa against Jon. And that will take some time to pull off if that turns out to be his play.
If he's going to do something like this, then it still doesn't make sense to crown Jon the "King in the North". Bran, Sansa, and Arya (keep in mind that LF knows she's still alive) are ahead of him in the hierarchy. Why not give him Karhold instead, crown Sansa the Queen in the North, and then poison Sansa from there that the Karstarks too were an off branch of House Stark and that Jon is plotting against her. Plus Sansa has had two awful experiences with actual bastards in Joffrey and Ramsay, and she wasn't fond of Jon before this season. Then when rumors spread that Jon is the legitimate son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark, shite completely hits the fan.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:20 pm to OMLandshark
Just name Lyanna Mormont queen of the North. She'll get shite done
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:21 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Just name Lyanna Mormont queen of the North. She'll get shite done
Clearly the most qualified.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:30 pm to OMLandshark
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crown Sansa the Queen in the North
Who are you saying is going to crown her Queen in the North? LF doesn't have the liege authority to do that. LF won't openly go against the wishes of the Northern houses. He's not just going to openly say "I have the biggest army here, so the Northern houses will bend to my wishes". That's not his way of doing things.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:31 pm to Bamatab
No one named Robb King of the North.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:34 pm to Bamatab
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Who are you saying is going to crown her Queen in the North? LF doesn't have the liege authority to do that. LF won't openly go against the wishes of the Northern houses. He's not just going to openly say "I have the biggest army here, so the Northern houses will bend to my wishes". That's not his way of doing things.
You're overlooking that Jon is still a bastard, and Sansa is still kicking around. Who is going to legitimize him? I still think the Northern Lords would prefer a legitimate Stark over a bastard. Sansa as Queen could legitimize him, but unless Stannis just comes marching in miraculously alive, I don't see where Jon's going to find a King to legitimize his claim, at least as a Stark. Targaryen is possible, but that also rules him out for being "King in the North".
And while you do have a point of the Northern Lords having the final say, the Vale Lords didn't come up there for a bastard who let in thousands of Wildings. They were there for Sansa.
This post was edited on 6/23/16 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:35 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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No one named Robb King of the North.
Robb was legitimate though.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:36 pm to OMLandshark
I think Sansa would legitimize him just so he could be king. I don't think she wants that shite.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:39 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I think Sansa would legitimize him just so he could be king. I don't think she wants that shite.
To be fair, neither does Jon.
But I do like this quote from Varys in ADWD about Aegon, but to be honest I think he is unknowingly more describing Jon (save for the Faith and several tongues part):
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Aegon has been shaped for rule before he could walk. He has been trained in arms, as befits a knight to be, but that was not the end of his education. He reads and writes, he speaks several tongues, he has studied history and law and poetry. A septa has instructed him in the mysteries of the Faith since he was old enough to understand them. He has lived with fisherfolk, worked with his hands, swum in rivers and mended nets and learned to wash his own clothes at need. He can fish and cook and bind up a wound, he knows what it is like to be hungry, to be hunted, to be afraid. Tommen has been taught that kingship is his right. Aegon knows kingship is his duty, that a king must put his people first, and live and rule for them.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:41 pm to OMLandshark
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You're overlooking that Jon is still a bastard, and Sansa is still kicking around. Who is going to legitimize him? I still think the Northern Lords would prefer a legitimate Stark over a bastard.
I think the Northern Lords would prefer a male old enough to lead the north (especially if they believe the stories of the White Walkers coming), over Sansa (a woman) or even Bran (a kid/teenager); regardless if he is a bastard or not. Heck, he could legitimize himself if the remaining members of House Stark (Sansa, and eventually Bran & Arya) back that decision. The Northern Lords don't give two craps about who some southern king says is a legit Stark or not.
Posted on 6/23/16 at 7:43 pm to OMLandshark
I can totally see Sansa being named to rule Winterfell. The way things are going with the whole girl power thing.
I really dont see Jon being named King of the North or Warden of Winterfell. The only way that would happen is if Jon met Dany and Jon asked if he could keep the surname of Stark instead of Targ and to be named Warden in the North.
And I doubt that happens. By the end of the series, there will be nothing bbut women ruling the seven kingdoms, book it.
I really dont see Jon being named King of the North or Warden of Winterfell. The only way that would happen is if Jon met Dany and Jon asked if he could keep the surname of Stark instead of Targ and to be named Warden in the North.
And I doubt that happens. By the end of the series, there will be nothing bbut women ruling the seven kingdoms, book it.
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