re: GoT S6: E10 "The Winds of Winter" BOOK READERS

I was trying to recall if in the books Lyssa said something to her in her crazy spells before that evil bard pushed her out the moon door. It feels like she may have, but I just can't recall.

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somewhat grey character and is becoming more so. Littlefinger's jibe at their Mole Town meeting "your half-brother's army" resonated because Sansa has always been about Sansa. And I think that's a good thing. We need a few more murky characters. Espcially if their arc is in the "Breaking Bad" direction.

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If that's the case then frick her and I hope she dies a painful death. Jon was willing to go to war and die for her. Half-brother or not she should know and understand that Jon was willing to help her out all the way to the death against vastly superior numbers and fighters.

If she doesn't get that and turns on him that's gonna be more fricked up than the Red Wedding. And she is then firmly planted in the villain status.

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Little Finger has a royal decree, he's warden of the North. What's sticky about that? You might not have voted for him, but like it or not, Tommen is still king.

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The North will NEVER allow a southern lord to be warden. They will rally around Jon and there's still three pretty big houses that haven't even entered the fray yet that outnumber the Vale easily.

Now if the Lannister army does decide to travel north and LF ends up turning on the Starks that's where the situation could get very VERY sticky for them.

Manderlys, Dustins, and Glovers couldn't? I think they could. Plus now that Jon has won I think the Mormonts will field more men behind him as well.

I don't think lady dustin will hold the grudge in the show like she did in the books.

Eta: the Ryswells could come into play too.

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The North will NEVER allow a southern lord to be warden. They will rally around Jon and there's still three pretty big houses that haven't even entered the fray yet that outnumber the Vale easily.

Now if the Lannister army does decide to travel north and LF ends up turning on the Starks that's where the situation could get very VERY sticky for them.

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I highly highly doubt that will happen. Even in the war the Lannissters never considered fighting the Starks in the north because of weather conditions, little knowledge of the land, and the difficulty of sustaining the land up there if they ever captured it. When Stanis brought his army to face the Boltons they were already defeated before the battle even began. It's like invading Russia you just don't do it (unless you're a Targaryen and have dragons).

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I think Sansa's motivations are being grossly over-analyzed. All I see is a character who has learned to hedge her own bets having been burned relying on others to defend her interests. If this rationale puts her at odds with Jon, it still doesn't make her evil or even grey, even. Just mature. Personally, I don't see a SERIOUS Sansa/ Jon conflict happening, especially if fostered by LF.

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Maybe. But that "half brother's army" line by LF and the questioning of Sansa by Brienne (who, is the icon for "honorable" if anyone is in this world) sure smelled of foreshadowing to me. Heck, I even took notice when in Sansa's return oath to Brienne it included something like "and I will ask nothing of you that will bring dishonor to you". Of course that's probably just a standard Westerosi oath.

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Manderlys, Dustins, and Glovers couldn't? I think they could. Plus now that Jon has won I think the Mormonts will field more men behind him as well.

I don't think lady glover will hold the grudge in the show like she did in the books.

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Numbers of Manderlys and Glovers were probably significantly lost at the Red Wedding. The Boltons and Karstarks weren't, and they could combined only put up 6,000 men. This was also said at one point to be nearly a 1/3 of Robb Stark's army.

LF on the other hand has the entire might of the Vale behind him. The Cobrays, Graftons, Redforts, Royces, and Waynwoods are among him. They haven't lost any in battle as of now. His army is probably the most formidable in the Seven Kingdoms, with only the Tyrells as competition. The Vale has near the population of the North as well. So no, I don't think that the North can put up the numbers to defeat LF in battle if his vassals stay with him.

I think it was more that:

She sent a raven for LF. No response back. How does she know he even arrives?

Sansa is not in it to betray Jon. I don't think she's as interested in Warden of The North as Jon would be, she just wants revenge on her enemies and the Lannisters.

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You're completely failing to take into account what the North has been through. If this were the start of the War of the Five Kings, I have little doubt that the North could be the Vale in their own territory. But tens of thousands of Northerners have been killed in the War. Robb Stark deliberately sent 2,000 men to their deaths in order to take Jaime Lannister and Riverrun. I'm honestly not sure if the North as a whole could now field more than 10,000 able bodied men. I'm sure littlefinger has a plan to get the north, but I don't think war would be in his best interest.

The Vale though has not suffered through the war whatsoever. Their men are healthy and well fed. This was all very deliberate on LF's part to not put his army out in the field until all the other armies are basically destroyed. You are significantly underestimating the might of the Vale's current forces.

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In terms of numbers it would be tough for the north to handle the Vale right now, but it's incredibly hard to siege northern castles because of the awful weather conditions. Especially since winter is right around the corner. Then there would be trouble trying to control the northern houses if the Vale did conquer the north. I think littlefinger has a plan to conquer the north, but I don't think war would be in his best interest

I think it's important to realize that LF probably has no intention of acting in interest with the crown at this point. He has the untouched army of the Vale and it's full stock of resources and now has an "alliance" with the North. I fully expect him to try to wed Sansa and name Jon Warden of the North at Winterfell. He then controls Robin and the Vale, Jon and the North, and will be able to wipe out the Freys in the Riverlands with ease. I think it's also important to consider that it was LF who convinced the Tyrells to pledge loyalty to the Lannisters and even moreso it looks like LF and Lady Olenna worked together to poison Joffrey. He's done this all while keeping King's Landing thinking he is on their side. He's got his finger (pun intended) on just about every kingdom at this point.