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re: GoT "Middle Ground" Thread - Between Seasons Discussion ***Spoilers Possible***
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:40 am to ladytiger118
Posted on 5/25/13 at 10:40 am to ladytiger118
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If something were to happen to Robb, Bran would be next in line to inherit Winterfell, then Rickon.
99.0% of the world believe Bran and Rickon are dead. If something happens to Robb, Sansa would inherit the rule of Winterfell. That is why Tywin married Tyrion to Sansa. He said so in the discussion with Cersei and Tyrion where he laid out his marriage plans for them.
Tywins plans are to have Jofrey on the Iron Throne with Tyrion in Winterfell and Cersei in Highgarden. That wouold pretty much cement the Lannister power base for years to come.
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Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:20 am to Sid in Lakeshore
Bump
Posted on 5/25/13 at 11:50 am to wildtigercat93
woe to the Arrested Development usurpers
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:08 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:We know all of this. My question is who, among the Stark people, would lead their armies and effectively be their lord if Robb were to die? Would their force dissolve?
99.0% of the world believe Bran and Rickon are dead. If something happens to Robb, Sansa would inherit the rule of Winterfell. That is why Tywin married Tyrion to Sansa. He said so in the discussion with Cersei and Tyrion where he laid out his marriage plans for them.
Tywins plans are to have Jofrey on the Iron Throne with Tyrion in Winterfell and Cersei in Highgarden. That wouold pretty much cement the Lannister power base for years to come.
And didn't Theon's captor say "I'm a better hunter than you." or something like that? If his archery is as good as it was in the Theon assrape scene, Bran and Rickon are fricked. This is actually my theory as to why we don't see much of Rickon.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:24 pm to blueboy
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We know all of this. My question is who, among the Stark people, would lead their armies and effectively be their lord if Robb were to die? Would their force dissolve?
No, it would theoretically go to Tyrion at this point, and when Robb's kid is born it would go to he/she.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 12:44 pm to blueboy
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And didn't Theon's captor say "I'm a better hunter than you." or something like that? If his archery is as good as it was in the Theon assrape scene, Bran and Rickon are fricked. This is actually my theory as to why we don't see much of Rickon.
Hunting doesn't necessarily mean just how good you are with a bow. I would say Theons archery is probably better. Theon was shooting ravens out of the air in season one when they were waiting to cross the bridge. He probably is implying that he is better at tracking and stalking prey then Theon is.
This post was edited on 5/25/13 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:07 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Legally yes, but I don't think they'd make Tyrion Lord of Winterfell at this point, since they're at war with his family. And I REALLY don't think they'd let Robb's unborn child be lord of Winterfell if his wife really is a spy. Maybe she is and they don't find out about it.
No, it would theoretically go to Tyrion at this point, and when Robb's kid is born it would go to he/she.
If she is a spy, I wouldn't assume she's a Lannister. Tywin seems pretty sure that Sansa is the key to the North, and that Robb will die, not because of a spy he sent (at least, I got nothing from his performance to indicate that), but because his army is broken and he will lose in battle soon. However, Robb's plan to attack Casterly Rock and the showing of this plan to his wife, her writing the letter feet from the battle map, etc. seem to indicate that she is a Lannister and that she's telling them about this plan.
But if she is a Lannister, and they know she's pregnant, Tyrion becomes irrelevant. They can kill Robb and secretly inherit Winterfell. Even if she's not a Lannister, whoever she's with would also have every reason to kill Robb now that she has his child.
Also, the Bolton's clearly know that Bran and Rickon are alive, but no one seems to have told Robb. Maybe that's the real reason he sent Jaime back to KL - because he's already in league with the Lannisters. Maybe he's on his own program and the Honeypot is his. If Robb died, a Bolton-influenced child would rule Winterfell and the Lannisters would be screwed out of it. That theory doesn't explain why he'd send Jaime back to KL, but might explain why the Bastard wants to "hunt" Bran and Rickon.
Either way, it seems pretty obvious that the Boltons have turned on Robb. There's no other explanation. That could be why (as has been stated here) the reader knows that Robb thinks his brothers are dead, but the show is far more vague about it. They don't want you to notice the contradiction.
Then again, maybe he really is scared of Tywin. That idea seemed stupid until Cersei explained the Rains of Castamere song. Now, it makes more sense.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:12 pm to OMLandshark
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No, it would theoretically go to Tyrion at this point, and when Robb's kid is born it would go to he/she.
I would think Robb's wife would rule as queen regent until their child became of age, much like what is occurring in the Vale, with Jon Arryn's son. She would appoint one of his bannermen to led the military, Umber, Bolton, Glover, Reed. Don't think the Karstarks would be on the list.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:26 pm to blueboy
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Then again, maybe he really is scared of Tywin. That idea seemed stupid until Cersei explained the Rains of Castamere song. Now, it makes more sense.
It seems that everyone in Westeros is scared of Tywin except for Robb. He's either smarter than everyone else or really stupid.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:38 pm to PowerTool
Tywin also sacked Kings landing in Roberts rebellion. His men then butchered every single Targaryen they could get their hands on. Even the children which the mountain did some awful things to.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:39 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
Tywin is certainly a cold, calculating, ruthless frick.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:41 pm to PsychTiger
Tywin is all about improving his families legacy and destroying his enemies legacy.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 1:43 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
All in a cold, calculating, and ruthless manner.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:40 pm to PowerTool
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It seems that everyone in Westeros is scared of Tywin except for Robb.
Stannis doesn't seem to fear him.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 2:45 pm to TigerintheNO
Maybe not on any deep emotional level, but he certainly figured out when it was time to get the hell out of Blackwater.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 3:02 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:Ah. I believe you've got it. If she is a spy and no one knows, she could rule the Starks as queen regent. shite, with the Starks dedication to "honor," they might let her do so even if they were to know it. The kid is the rightful heir to Winterfell, regardless of who she is.
I would think Robb's wife would rule as queen regent until their child became of age, much like what is occurring in the Vale, with Jon Arryn's son. She would appoint one of his bannermen to led the military, Umber, Bolton, Glover, Reed. Don't think the Karstarks would be on the list.
Of course, there might be laws that invalidate marriages made under false pretenses, but somehow, I don't think lengthy discussions about succession laws are how this is going to work itself out.
This post was edited on 5/27/13 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 5/25/13 at 3:05 pm to blueboy
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I don't think lengthy discussions about succession laws are how this is going to work itself out
Wouldn't make for very good tv.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 3:18 pm to PsychTiger
Would have to be carried on PBS instead of HBO.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 3:36 pm to PowerTool
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Maybe not on any deep emotional level, but he certainly figured out when it was time to get the hell out of Blackwater.
When he saw his brother's ghost leading mounted calvary.
Posted on 5/25/13 at 4:55 pm to PowerTool
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Would have to be carried on PBS instead of HBO.
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