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Posted on 6/21/16 at 1:14 pm to Salmon
Incest makes the GOT go round
Posted on 6/21/16 at 1:14 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
wait...did they? shite I can't remember
Posted on 6/21/16 at 1:14 pm to cgrand
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rhaegar and littlefinger in my reading are the authors of most of the misfortune
Yeah... and you also have to include the complicated family history of the Baratheons and the Targaryens, as well as the Mad King himself.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 2:27 pm to LoveThatMoney
other than that, the ENTIRE chain of events?...all women :grin:
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:01 pm to Salmon
LF convinced Lysa to poison JA. Didn't Cersei have a part in Robert's death by like poisoning the wine or something? Catelyn abducted Tyrion sparking the Lannister's to act. Lyanna Stark didn't honor the marriage pact and ran off with Rhaegar forcing Robert to move. Cersei got the queen thrown in prison for something she didn't even do and she got HS/HR in power. Sansa kept telling Cersei everything Ned was doing. Sansa also made Nymeria run off and Lady get killed because she wouldn't tell the truth. And on and on and on.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:15 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I think cersei asked one of Roberts squires to give him extra strong wine instead of his usual hunting wine, so Robert was drunk as frick when he got gored by the boar
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:28 pm to cgrand
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that would be fantastic yet that is not at all a given...you are over-reacting to a particular place in the story.
Thats not unfair.
I am also just reacting to the Sansa getting credit for warning Jon, without giving him any real information, and for LF coming to the North to do exactly what he set out to do.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:32 pm to Bard
The baddest lady in the game is that little Mormont chick. She's legit.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 3:39 pm to The Sad Banana
Her grimace towards Ramsey during the parlay before the battle was priceless...perfect...gold...she IS legit. Love her.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:22 pm to molsusports
quote:Don't be condescending. If the show runners tell everyone that this is a goal of theirs (which they have), I take them at their word.
With respect I don't think you are really upset because anything the show has done so much as what your perceptions about our larger culture have made you look for in the show. But the job of an author is to tell a compelling story. The inference of multiple, contradictory messages ought to be possible to recognize whenever an author succeeds to any extent.
I think your sensitivity to tone or sexual themes in media isn't qualitatively different from the very real sensitivity that people from the feminist left still have (half a century after the second wave feminists began to demonstrate). That's not inherently a criticism of either point of view IMO. To some extent your reaction and use of the same tools is probably just an adoption of the same political language the people with whom you disagree have been successful.
It's not feminism or equal rights or any other purely political concept. Contemporary "girl power" themes in media are the result of "cause-based marketing." It is done so that more women are drawn to the show, and thereby elevate the ratings. It has nothing to do with activism, though it is presented as such.
They didn't invent a girl character for The Hobbit because of social justice or inclusivity. They did it to get more girl butts in the seats. Period. The same applies here.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 4:31 pm to blueboy
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It is done so that more women are drawn to the show
maybe, maybe not.
if that is the reason i'm not sure why you'd be bothered by it, as its purely an economics and not social-justice-type decision. you could make just as compelling an argument that the female-empowerment theme is central to the entire canon of the books, and therefore has nothing at all to do with a desire for more ratings
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:09 pm to cgrand
quote:The chain of events started when Lyanna ran off with Rhaegar. If she'd kept her obligation to marry Robert and not gotten involved with a married man (something women love to do), none of this would have happened.
other than that, the ENTIRE chain of events?...all women :grin:
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:16 pm to blueboy
here's one that supports your case:
LINK
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Here's the thing: These are not compatible scenarios. Either Sansa planned Littlefinger's late arrival — in which case she's responsible for the carnage and for recovering Winterfell, or she didn't and gets no credit for the victory. She just got lucky. I worry — I really do — that Game of Thrones, by eliding the horrific compromises she'd have had to make offscreen to make this work, is awkwardly trying to make her virtuous and a great planner, a feminist powerhouse who might still be a force for good. The Battle of the Bastards made that structurally impossible. I hope they see that. I hope they don't try to make her both.
LINK
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:18 pm to blueboy
*kidnapped by Rhaegar
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:18 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Well right, but do you think Twin Lannister rides out to save Kevan like that?
I think Jamie rides out to save Tyrion or Cersei. I think Tyrion rides to save Jamie-- even though he doesn't want to.
Look at Jon at Hardhome or the Wall battle-- Hardhome was great leadership with the exception of not grabbing the Dragonglass.
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:22 pm to jefforize
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*kidnapped by Rhaegar
to be fair nobody (us) really knows what actually happened. he could have abducted her, or she could have run off with him
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:26 pm to cgrand
The show is going to have a hard time getting the point of the tower of joy across because I suspect over 50% of the hodors don't know or even care as to who the frick Rhaegar Targaryen was
Need a Bran vision of the Battle of the Trident imo. And a few other scenes
Need a Bran vision of the Battle of the Trident imo. And a few other scenes
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:31 pm to cgrand
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to be fair nobody (us) really knows what actually happened. he could have abducted her, or she could have run off with him
Come on man, Rhaegar didn't kidnap her. The dude was kinda fruity, read/wrote poetry, played a harp, and wasn't really interested in anything else.
This is the only time I'll ever see this...he dindu nuffin.
Other than seduce Lyanna.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 6/21/16 at 5:31 pm to jefforize
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The show is going to have a hard time getting the point of the tower of joy across because I suspect over 50% of the hodors don't know or even care as to who the frick Rhaegar Targaryen was
Then they REALLY haven't been paying attention as Rhaegar has been mentioned at least once in every single season. In season 1 Ned and Robert talk about him "abducting" Lyanna, last season Ser Barriston and Dany had a long conversation about him, Littlefinger told Sansa about him winning the tournament and giving the rose to Lyanna, Ned talks about him getting killed at the Trident in the first TOJ flashback, Varys has talked about him a couple times, Oberyn talks about his wife and kids getting killed, etc.
It has been FIRMLY established who he is and what he did.
This post was edited on 6/21/16 at 5:33 pm
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