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re: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Episode 8 :"Hardhome" Readers Thread (Spoilers)
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:02 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:02 pm to Finkle is Einhorn
quote:I think he means brush burns, or indian burns. Something like that. Yeah.
Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky
fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing."
ETA: Seriously, though. It might just be dragonfire that can harm her. I wasn't imagining the egg scene.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 4:05 pm
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Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:05 pm to SetTheMood
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Yeah, he also claims to firmly believe that R+L=J. I mean, he could pick up on the mutiny from this season, or at least that he'll be met with some resistance. I'm sorry, I just couldn't pick R+L=J from the few nuggets that were dropped this season.
The Hodor threads are just such a train wreck. The whole R+L=J deal (and calling out a poster that claimed to have figured it out) is the subject that almost got me banded.
But my spoiler radar definitely went up with that whole new thread.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:06 pm to blueboy
Lol ok dude
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:09 pm to Mr. Wayne
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This season has been the absolute worst in the series. The changes have been terrible far more than they have been for the better. They made one change that improved on the storyline, sending Jon to Hardhome. It happened to be the one of the top 2 episodes of the series, along with Blackwater, but that doesn't change the fact that they have struggled greatly without GRRM text to follow.
Barristan did not need to die. He was Kingsguard his entire adult life and no more fit to be Hand of the Queen than he was Master of Coin. He has also been gone since Robert died and has little inside knowledge of current loyalties and alliances. I also see nothing out of Barristan that would judge Tyrion unfairly. Dany with Lord Commander Barristan Selmy and Hand of the Queen Tyrion Lannister, along with a Dothraki Hoarde, thousands of Unsullied, and oh yeah dragons, is pretty damn formidable.
Terrible post, terible synopsis.
Sorry you are too buthurt about Selmy to enjoy all the other improvements D&D have written in.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:12 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
This has been the worst season by far. Last nights episode didn't change that despite being an interesting show. It still had plot holes. The rest of the season as a whole hasn't made much sense in a lot of areas. Except where they've followed the books most closely, i.e Arya's story etc
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:14 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Terrible post, terible synopsis
Nice rebuttal. I know see the error in my ways and realize D&D are writing a better version of my favorite series.
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Sorry you are too buthurt about Selmy to enjoy all the other improvements D&D have written in.
Other than Hardhome, name them. Just because you are too dense to enjoy complexity doesn't make what the changes improvements.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:15 pm to Bamatab
quote:Cry me a fricking river, dude.
almost got me banded.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:21 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Mr. Wayne
I'm not here to rebut anything, but I'll share my opinion.
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I like several of the changes that they have made.
1) The WW attack at Hardhome happened in the books, we just did not have a POV character there......... this battle replace our POV attack at the Fist of the Firsty Men where the Crows got decimated.
2) I like some of the changes they have made with Tyrion and Danny. They omitted some of the PAINFULL tyrion travel scenes to Essos and expedited his link with Danny. This can only be good.
3) Dont like that they killed Barristan Selmy, but now it is apparent why (to allow a vaccfum for Tyrion to fill as Danny's advisor).
4) They have accelerated Sansa's story line and her finding out about Bran and Rikon can only lead to a Stark reuinion, IMHO)....
5) Looks like Randyl Tarly will have an expanded role (he is one of the characters that we do not get in the books that I would like to see and it looks ike they are doing so..... Good).
6) Jorah continues to be a little Beyotch.......(he and the rainbow warrior need to sack up and grow a pair)
Maybe some of these changes will actually spoil the next book, but so be it. I like them so far.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:22 pm to Bamatab
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We'll have to agree to disagree on that. At first look, I agreed with that statement. But now that the story has moved along, I have changed my mind on that (especially with Sansa being moved to the North, and Jon being sent to Hardhome).
I can certainly respect another opinion while disagreeing with it. I still think moving Sansa to the North is garbage. Especially after reading her sample chapter from Winds.
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He probably didn't absolutely have to die, but his death made Dany an isolated queen with no confidants that she could trust besides her BFF chick.
Which cheapens the pairing IMO. She was desperate and alone in regards to Westeros. Whereas in the book, she can have the chance to make this call from a position of power. She is failed Drogo by having Mirri Maz Duur tend his wounds, she fails to train her dragons and locks them up or loses them, she is failing as Queen of Mereen. Being desperate for help just doesn't mean as much to me in regards to her character. I did think Emilia was better than she has been with Dinklage than she has been in the series. Great back and forth and she held her own.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:34 pm to Mr. Wayne
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I did think Emilia was better than she has been with Dinklage than she has been in the series. Great back and forth and she held her own.
I absolutely loved there banter. When she asks him if she should welcome him into her service for killing his family, and Tyrion came back with if she even deserved his service (and the reaction to Tyrion's comment by Jorah when he turned and looked at Tyrion), then Dany not missing a beat by "offering" him the chance to go back to the fighting pits, and then Tyrion taking a second to gather his thoughts and then telling her the tells he had heard about her were all just spot on. I loved their exchanges, and can't wait to see more.
But I will be extremely pissed off if the events with Dany and the Sons of Harpy in the fighting pits separates the two of them for any extended period of time.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:38 pm to Napoleon
26 pages... damn.
That was a solid episode though. I'm just getting through the threads. That last fifteen minutes was blockbuster theater quality. They really did a great job on that battle.
Made us remember the White Walkers are the big threat.
Though they can't be touched with Valyrian Steel.
Cool twist.
That was a solid episode though. I'm just getting through the threads. That last fifteen minutes was blockbuster theater quality. They really did a great job on that battle.
Made us remember the White Walkers are the big threat.
Though they can't be touched with Valyrian Steel.
Cool twist.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:39 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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1) The WW attack at Hardhome happened in the books, we just did not have a POV character there......... this battle replace our POV attack at the Fist of the Firsty Men where the Crows got decimated.
100% better. You will never hear an argument from me on this one.
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2) I like some of the changes they have made with Tyrion and Danny. They omitted some of the PAINFULL tyrion travel scenes to Essos and expedited his link with Danny. This can only be good.
I explained my opinion in regards to Dany in my reply to Bamatab above. Tyrion's travels were great when he was Griff and Young Griff. The pass through Valyria with Jorah was a major fail as well. Losing Penny was a nice change. I thought Tyrion's travels also solidified him as one of the heroes. He literally conquers every situation regardless of his shortcomings. He succeeded without name or gold here, as a freaking Dwarf. Love Tyrion more for it.
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3) Dont like that they killed Barristan Selmy, but now it is apparent why (to allow a vaccfum for Tyrion to fill as Danny's advisor).
Never will agree here as it is so blatantly terrible. Selmy is Kingsguard, old, and has been out of the loop. Tyrion is a genius, the ultimate survivor, and is more current to Westeros politics. She can have two advisors.
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4) They have accelerated Sansa's story line and her finding out about Bran and Rikon can only lead to a Stark reuinion, IMHO)...
She won't see Bran. Rickon maybe, as I agree his story is so vague in the books. Accelerating her storyline is great, if they do it right. Instead she is making every mistake in the world and getting beaten and roughed up in the bedroom by the most sadistic individual in the 7 Kingdoms. Boo, just booooo. Her sample chapter on Winds is awesome. She is conflicted with her little bird persona in her head and the weapon LF is making her. Great read that reminded me of what GRRM can do when he finally puts pen to paper.
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5) Looks like Randyl Tarly will have an expanded role (he is one of the characters that we do not get in the books that I would like to see and it looks ike they are doing so..... Good).
Had a big role in Feast directly with Brienne and was mentioned plenty by the Others. Sam is also going to face off with him presenting Gilly and Mance's child to him as his bastard. It's going to be a potential great moment for Sam.
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6) Jorah continues to be a little Beyotch.......(he and the rainbow warrior need to sack up and grow a pair)
How is this an improvement? Don't like him with Grayscale. He is a favorite in the books for me and they have made him the Lord Commander of the Friendzoned. He sucks. Speaking of sucking, Loras does at a much higher rate in the show. He is gay in the story, but he is attaining glory while he's not sitting on swords. Not cuddling with gay brothel managers.
I get GRRM over-complicates things sometimes, but I just don't like any of these other than Hardhome. I would have loved a Benjen spoil, even if he was a wight. Award winning episode, but lackluster season. If they knock these next two out the park, it can really turn for the better though.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:41 pm to Mr. Wayne
Can you guys explain where Randall Tarly has been shown to have a bigger part coming in the show? I can't place anything about him beside Stannis and Sam talking about him
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:42 pm to Bamatab
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But I will be extremely pissed off if the events with Dany and the Sons of Harpy in the fighting pits separates the two of them for any extended period of time.
Think they should leave off the Dany/Drogon retreat. Have him show up and her claim him as his rider.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:43 pm to Mr. Wayne
This season has been uneven, that's true. Hardhome was one of the best episodes in the history of the show. Maybe THE best, especially since they did not spoil it AT ALL in any of the promotional stuff. It was awesome.
The Dany and Tyrion stuff is signficantly better. Thank god they sped that crap up.
Sansa going to Winterfell upset me at first but it make sense now and is an improvement.
But there have been some terrible parts. Jaime/Bron in Dorne/Sandsnakes stuff just has not worked at all.
The Dany and Tyrion stuff is signficantly better. Thank god they sped that crap up.
Sansa going to Winterfell upset me at first but it make sense now and is an improvement.
But there have been some terrible parts. Jaime/Bron in Dorne/Sandsnakes stuff just has not worked at all.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:46 pm to Fun Bunch
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But there have been some terrible parts. Jaime/Bron in Dorne/Sandsnakes stuff just has not worked at all
It's not a coincidence that they weren't in last nights episode ever and how good it was
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:46 pm to wildtigercat93
probably just the casting speculation we talked about in last episodes thread.
Apparently they were looking for a big, strong father figure to play a large role next season.
Also had some interesting child casting calls.
Apparently they were looking for a big, strong father figure to play a large role next season.
Also had some interesting child casting calls.
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:49 pm to wildtigercat93
which makes no sense to me. We should be seeing more of Doran's support of the Targs by now. I know in the previews he appears to threaten Jaime into joining a plot of his, but it could just be misdirection.
ETA: I mean it makes no sense how Dorne could feel so pointless.
ETA: I mean it makes no sense how Dorne could feel so pointless.
This post was edited on 6/1/15 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:49 pm to saintsfan92612
Thanks I figured it was something speculative like that
Would be interesting. I'm curious how they are planning on the Oldtown storyline for the show
Would be interesting. I'm curious how they are planning on the Oldtown storyline for the show
Posted on 6/1/15 at 4:49 pm to Mr. Wayne
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Which cheapens the pairing IMO. She was desperate and alone in regards to Westeros. Whereas in the book, she can have the chance to make this call from a position of power. She is failed Drogo by having Mirri Maz Duur tend his wounds, she fails to train her dragons and locks them up or loses them, she is failing as Queen of Mereen. Being desperate for help just doesn't mean as much to me in regards to her character. I did think Emilia was better than she has been with Dinklage than she has been in the series. Great back and forth and she held her own.
While she has made her fair share of mistakes, Tyrion was right in his speech on the show. She was a young girl, with no wealth, lands, or army (only a name) sold off to a barbarian out in the edge of the world. And in short time (relatively) she has acquired all three. She had done pretty well in my book considering what she is still a young girl who was never taught how to rule. Now Tyrion gives her that person to learn from, and rely on.
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