re: Game of Thrones S8 E4 "The Last of the Starks" Official Thread

Of course I can put this together. I want to know how Grey Worm and Dany just instantly knew that she was captured. It's not like Cersei FaceTimed them showing she had Missandei

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Arya's first target should be Cersei's most valuable asset, Maester. He's the one who created the Mountain Zombie and manufactures the Wildfire. Without the Maester Cersei is just an angry bitch.

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I could see a scenario where she kills Qyburn and takes his face.

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Just messing with you man. You probably don't remember but we discussed her going mad before, weeks back.

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I remember those threads, it just wasn't my preferred ending. Neither was losing Rhaegal to a ballista without getting in any kills in return.

Someone mentioned Jon leaving Ghost without so much as petting him, as he sat there whimpering and chewed up; the close bond between them etc.
Maybe that's Jon leaving "Jon" in the North, and "Aegon" is coming South. Although it goes totally against what he has said... but that also was after the map strategy session too. Maybe Jon shifted at that moment, because it's clear that what he wants and what he should do are two different things.

One thing bugging me about ep 4 is that after the battle of Winterfell, those survivors should be far more connected. You just made it through a horrible and seemingly hopeless battle against a mythical evil. Dany was off her dragon and alone in the field with Jorah, Jon was alone in the courtyard 10 ft from the zombie dragon, several folks were climbing on piles of dead to stay standing. Arya had to dash past a dozen Whitewalkers and do a desperate and risky knife drop while the Night King had her by the throat. Sansa, Tyrion and the rest were trapped in the crypts with zombies and apparently 2 dragonglass breadknives to defend themselves.

After that, Jaime should be able to sit down and talk with Dany or Jon openly. Want to save his sister, but wants to bring her off the throne. Conflicted, wants a way to make this work. Discussing things like 'we all kill Euron, but let me take her to Essos. We will lay low. I will make sure she doesn't scheme, she's older and we have a child coming. I could live in Qarth with her. Please.'

Tormund should rightfully be war-weary, but should be willing to go South to support Dany. His/Mance's plan has been realized, but Cersei needs to go to ensure it lasts beyond this Winter.

Sansa should be willing to let future Northern independence be a matter of discussion based on the outcome of the upcoming war. The proclaimed 'Protector of the Seven Realms' just bled her army protecting the North, that should earn some loyalty and respect. And Dany wasn't raised in King's Landing, she has a different view than everyone she met down there anyway.

And Dany should have been sitting there, shaken, thinking "my armies are gone, and this wasn't what I thought it was. Meereen seems awfully safe right now. Was any of this worth it?".

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I've done my re-watch now, and I dont get the bad lighting complaint. I watched it with the lights on this time and it was perfectly fine.

Half of the time the place was on fire so theres going to me a ton of smoke, ash, and dirt flying up everwhere, I thought they did a good job and was more accurate than having it bright and crystal clear on every scene.

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Wait, is this really what people are complaining about? If so, then my God they must be some pathetic individuals to nitpick that much.

Nothing was wrong with the lighting. It was THE battle we've been waiting on the entire series. It was an enormous battle and yes, tons of smoke, fire, and ash is going to be everywhere. It's going to be difficult to see in a battle like that.

Some people will find anything to complain about.

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Especially with GOT. I can easily see why somebody wouldnt like how/the way Arya killed the Night King. I liked it, but i can see why others wouldnt.

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My only complaint was they left it a little too vague on how she got there so close to be able to jump at him like she did. Overall I don't have an issue with it.

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But the lighting is not a legit argument to me. You either have a crappy TV or you are just wanting to find another thing to complain about.

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Yep. It looked phenomenal on my B7. Yes there were dark scenes, but you could still easily tell what was going on. Other scenes were intentionally dark so you could barely see what was about to happen until it was right in front of our characters. That was the point.

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God I hope they are done with this. I sound like a broken record but arguably my least favorite thing D&D did was make Arya a legit Faceless Man. She barely had any training. She never even put on a face herself while in training. She's my favorite character but man I hope they books dont do that.

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oh, I totally agree. Just saying though...I could see them doing it.

My hope is that they don't find it shocking enough since they already had her kill old man Frey that way.

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GRRM can spend another 100 pages in the books making her a legit Faceless Man. The show skipped that

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Did you read the WoW released chapter of hers? My hope is that she continues her training and actually stays and becomes a full blown faceless man and leaves her Stark name behind.

But the WoW chapter has her taking revenge on someone on her list. So she clearly cant let it go.

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Yeah, she’s done with the Faceless Men in the books and if anything will be hunted by them.

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Yea she's not going to just run back in with the waifs face and it be some type of eye for an eye thing.

She's done a lot more training than wiping down dead bodysuits with a sponge. I imagine the kindly man isn't going to be so kindly. I would think she'd have to try and sneak off in the books.

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Especially with GOT. I can easily see why somebody wouldnt like how/the way Arya killed the Night King. I liked it, but i can see why others wouldnt.


My only complaint was they left it a little too vague on how she got there so close to be able to jump at him like she did. Overall I don't have an issue with it.

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They didn't leave anything vague at all with the way Arya killed the Night King. He had just frozen all the White Walkers before that scene so none of them could do anything while he went to kill the crippled Brandon Stark. This is also why the white walker dragon didn't do anything to Jon Snow when they were face to face.

Then, as Arya charges at the Night King with his back to her, the wind her run creates blows the White Walker's hair behind the Night King but all he can do is barely turn his head to look at her as she runs by. Then she jumps toward the Night King and he immediately turns around, grabs her, and she kills him with her weapon.

Go back and watch that scene. It's not vague at all.