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re: Game of Thrones S8 E4 "The Last of the Starks" Official Thread

Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:37 am to
Posted by KingofthePoint
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:37 am to
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I assumed it to mean his best day with the one current hand.

That’s how I took it. I can’t remember the full context of the conversation though.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:37 am to
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Bronn doesn’t fight with honor


Jaime pushed a ten year old kid out a window when he was found to be fricking his sister, the queen. Furthermore, Jaime fights realistically. When him and Jory Cassel fight in S1, he makes a very quick and sensible kill with his knife.

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Jaime does apparently, as he was pissed when Ned got stabbed in the leg


Jaime was pissed because he wanted the fight to go on and didn’t want anybody else stepping in. Not because it was dishonorable.
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:39 am to
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No way. He said something along the lines of "You couldn't take me on your best day, and your best days are long behind you." He definitely was talking shite about how even at his absolute best, Bronn thinks he could still handle it.


He did say what you are saying but I am a bit surprised you guys are taking it has he meant in a 1v1 fight.

Maybe he did. I just took it as him meaning no way Jaime could get across the table before he was shot.

Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:39 am to
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Jaime pushed a ten year old kid out a window



Not a fight, nobody to watch, would not improve his social status

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Jaime was pissed because he wanted the fight to go on and didn’t want anybody else stepping in



Because he wanted to beat Ned straight up. Ned was considered one of the best swordsmen for “beating” Arthur Dayne. He would have been another notch on Jamie’s belt
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:39 am to
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I feel like D&D put a good deal of effort into their appeal to all demographics and yet their 2 female leads are both stupid and insane.

they are using plot tactics to even the playing field and its making everyone look dumb.

danaerys splits up her reaming armies and flies straight to dragonstone, which on a clear day i would think you could actually see from KL. where the frick did she think euron's fleet would be?

cersei is standing on the castle walls with everyone who is a threat to her within archers' range. all she had to do was open fire. the war would be over, her claim cemented. instead, she beheads danaerys' secretary
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:40 am to
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Jaime was pissed because he wanted the fight to go on and didn’t want anybody else stepping in. Not because it was dishonorable.


Exactly, he wanted to kill him with cause. Also he is just arrogant and thinks he can win.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:40 am to
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Jaime pushed a ten year old kid out a window when he was found to be fricking his sister, the queen.
I doubt Jaime considered that a fight.
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he wanted the fight to go on and didn’t want anybody else stepping in. Not because it was dishonorable.
What?

Jaime was the best fighter in the 7 kingdoms maybe since he was 16. He enjoys fighting with a sword because he wins with a swords, it didn't matter what the other person did if that was the weapon. Jaime isn't pulling out a crossbow... Bronn would. He doesn't care about stories or glory, he just wants to win.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:42 am to
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Exactly, he wanted to kill him with cause.



Was the fight that happened before the stabbing not cause?

Jamie wanted to add to his legacy, and that can only be done through honorable combat against a great swordsman
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:43 am to
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they are using plot tactics to even the playing field and its making everyone look dumb.
I wouldn't call making everyone do really dumb things as a "plot tactic". But this is true. They have to make Cersei seem like a threat. Which means Dany "forgetting" about Euron while taking off from the North days after a huge battle and separating her troops. Why even take ships if you have to split? Has anyone explained that part?
Posted by 1BamaRTR
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:43 am to
Those long range cruise missile scorpions with pin point accuracy could’ve easily taken Dany out. Given that Tyrion’s tiny legs took him a few seconds to walk up to the gates, she’s really not that far away either. Oh well, I guess Cersei just wants to see Dany suffer.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:43 am to
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Because he wanted to beat Ned straight up. Ned was considered one of the best swordsmen for “beating” Arthur Dayne. He would have been another notch on Jamie’s belt


Yeah, but he wasn’t pissed because it was the dishonorable thing to do. He was pissed because it took away from his own glory.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:44 am to
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but he wasn’t pissed because it was the dishonorable thing to do. He was pissed because it took away from his own glory.
And killing the mad king was dishonorable or honorable in your eyes?
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:45 am to
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Yeah, but he wasn’t pissed because it was the dishonorable thing to do. He was pissed because it took away from his own glory.



And in those times, glory came from winning an honorable fight, not killing someone after they are stabbed from behind


It’s like people didn’t even see Bronn smack the shite out of him with his own hand, and Jamie being surprised as frick when they were sparring where Bronn used to frick that dude’s wife


She’s a screamer, that one
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 10:49 am
Posted by cgrand
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:48 am to

Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:50 am to
CGI on par with the first Assassin's Creed.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:51 am to
My phone must be about to shite the bed

I can only see the empty boxes like a link that doesn’t work
Posted by Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:52 am to
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They needed Bronn to tell Jaime that Cersai hired him to kill him. After everything that Jaime has done for her she now wants him dead. That was his motivation to ride South, to end her.


I don't think so at all.

I think Jamie's riding south for the exact reasons he told brianne.

Everything he does and has done, has been for Cersei. Nothing's changed.

When he arrived in winterfell, he was up front about why he came. He said he had no regrets regarding past actions and would do nothing differently.

Jaime's going south to patch things up with Cersei, not to kill her.

Jaime's come back around to being a true blue Lannister and seeing that happen was the best part of episode 4.

Like he said. He's a hateful person
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:53 am to
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wouldn't call making everyone do really dumb things as a "plot tactic". But this is true. They have to make Cersei seem like a threat. Which means Dany "forgetting" about Euron while taking off from the North days after a huge battle and separating her troops. Why even take ships if you have to split? Has anyone explained that part?




I’ll try


Last Dany knew, Euron was going back to the iron islands

Dany knows Yara took the iron islands back


Maybe she thinks Yara defeated Euron?


Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:53 am to
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Last night's episode had just a weird vibe to it the whole time IMO.

Yeah, all of the characters have become assholes. It's not a deal-breaker for me, but it's definitely off-putting. The chicks taking over, being crazy and creating all of the discord is the real out-of-character aspect.
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The dragon biting it so fast was just weird as well.
I'm not into Dragon shooting forensics. Don;t go there. It's a sad and frustrated place.
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The entire Bronn scene felt weird and out of place too.
It was supposed to be shocking, I guess, like the brutally honest moments that have made the show famous. It worked, in that regard.

I now expect Brienne to beat him. He's the only thing that stands in the way of girl power supremacy.
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The whole Jaime and Brienne thing just felt REALLY awkward and forced
It was very poorly written. Yes. The execution of a lot of things, like Theon's death, felt like they were written by teenagers.
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while he cared for her, he would never actually fall for her.
I think there's adequate basis in the books and on the show. Their interaction in the tent at Riverrun was sexually tense.
Plus, Jaime is still considered kind of a babe in Westeros. Remember how Bronn's first wife almost tripped over herself running to meet him? This is a good score for Brienne. Let her have this.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 11:45 am
Posted by Mystery
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 10:54 am to
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