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re: Game of Thrones S7 E7 "The Dragon and the Wolf" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:11 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:11 pm to Methuselah
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Doesn't really seem to add much more to what we already know from Sansa and Bran exposition about it. But I've seen some sight suggesting it is setting things up for a big reaction from Sansa and/or the lords of the North. I hope they go light on that. If the lords act a fool they aren't long for the world with the NK on their asses already. Plus, at least three of them are kids and two of those owe their survival and their estates directly to Jon's clemency.
Have the northern banner men (non-Starks) always been such disloyal pussies or is that a new development?
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Posted on 8/31/17 at 11:48 pm to Havoc
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Have the northern banner men (non-Starks) always been such disloyal pussies or is that a new development?
I think that applies to pretty much all of Westeros. I find all of the oaths hilarious because in many cases they have been proven to mean jack shite.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:43 am to 615tider
It's easy to say some words to someone with the point of a sword at your back. When the chips are down, however, words mean jack shite in most cases. Which is why I'm wondering what Daenerys is going to do next season. She's been spouting off since her brother died about how the Iron Throne is her birthright. Now that it turns out that the throne is actually Jon Snow's birthright, I'm interested to see how she'll react. Hypocritically I suppose.
Knowing Jon, he probably won't want anything to do with the throne because his only interest is saving the world from the Night King. But Daenerys will see him as a threat, even when he promises her the throne holds no interest to him. My guess is her pride and unyielding desire to occupy the throne will be a central theme in the final season. And my prediction - a prediction most others share - is that Dany will eventually abandon her quest for the throne and die in the final battle against the Night King. She will die, much the same way as Ygritte did, in Jon Snow's arms. A Targaryen alone in the world.
Knowing Jon, he probably won't want anything to do with the throne because his only interest is saving the world from the Night King. But Daenerys will see him as a threat, even when he promises her the throne holds no interest to him. My guess is her pride and unyielding desire to occupy the throne will be a central theme in the final season. And my prediction - a prediction most others share - is that Dany will eventually abandon her quest for the throne and die in the final battle against the Night King. She will die, much the same way as Ygritte did, in Jon Snow's arms. A Targaryen alone in the world.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 6:49 am
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:58 am to RollTide1987
I always go back to a conversation between Dany and Jorah:
"Forgive me, Khaleesi, but your ancestor Aegon the Conqueror didn't seize six of the kingdoms because they were his right. He had no right to them. He seized them because he could."-Jorah Mormont
Birthright be damned when someone wants what you have.
"Forgive me, Khaleesi, but your ancestor Aegon the Conqueror didn't seize six of the kingdoms because they were his right. He had no right to them. He seized them because he could."-Jorah Mormont
Birthright be damned when someone wants what you have.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:01 am to Havoc
The whole "The North Remembers" thing has gone from a point of regional pride to a farce lately. They don't remember jack shite.
RIP Great Northern Conspiracy theory.
RIP Great Northern Conspiracy theory.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:02 am to 615tider
You can find a couple quotes from him that directly contradict that
Dany has gotten completely opposing advice each season depending on the plot
Dany has gotten completely opposing advice each season depending on the plot
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:05 am to 615tider
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Birthright be damned when someone wants what you have.
Agreed.
But Dany's main argument this entire time has been that the Iron Throne is her right by birth. Now that it isn't, she has a big decision on her hands. Does she become the ruthless conqueror Tyrion warned her not to become? If she decides to go that route, she loses a lot of allies IMO. She may lose a lot of allies anyway IF they find out who Jon Snow really is.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 7:06 am
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:22 am to RollTide1987
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It's easy to say some words to someone with the point of a sword at your back. When the chips are down, however, words mean jack shite in most cases.
Which is probably why it seems they used to take hostages to ensure follow through (ie: Theon as the "ward" of the Starks).
Only problem is the wars have decimated so many families that there doesn't seem to be a lot of natural hostages types left. I mean, who would you take as an effective hostage to keep Cersei to her promises. Or Danny. Or the young Umber and Karstark lords?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 3:23 pm to Methuselah
I apologize for such a simple question, but it seems like some of the basic GoT stuff has slipped my mind.
Im wondering why the White Walkers decided to go south now? When the series started they said the White Walkers have been around for thousands of years and they are coming. What provoked them to come south to begin with?
TIA
Im wondering why the White Walkers decided to go south now? When the series started they said the White Walkers have been around for thousands of years and they are coming. What provoked them to come south to begin with?
TIA
Posted on 9/1/17 at 3:53 pm to dallastiger55
Don't apologize. That's not a simple question at all. In fact, I think it's one of the most intriguing questions left.
I think the honest answer is we really don't know. One possibility is that the NK has some greenseer ability and has judged this as the most opportune time. The realm is weakened by war. Dragons have re-appeared but they are not as numerous as at many periods in the past, so he can get one to help destroy the wall but doesn't have to face hordes of them. Maybe he thinks Jon and Danny are the two most likely to blunder into delivering a dragon up for him.
An even more basic question is what the heck does he want? What motivates him? Is he mostly a force of nature? Does he want to kill all humans because he's pissed at them? Does he want to establishsh some kind of NK/WW civilization? Does he just want to chill on the beach in Dorne with some Dornish Red or Arbor Gold?
It's possible we may never know the answer to these questions.
I think the honest answer is we really don't know. One possibility is that the NK has some greenseer ability and has judged this as the most opportune time. The realm is weakened by war. Dragons have re-appeared but they are not as numerous as at many periods in the past, so he can get one to help destroy the wall but doesn't have to face hordes of them. Maybe he thinks Jon and Danny are the two most likely to blunder into delivering a dragon up for him.
An even more basic question is what the heck does he want? What motivates him? Is he mostly a force of nature? Does he want to kill all humans because he's pissed at them? Does he want to establishsh some kind of NK/WW civilization? Does he just want to chill on the beach in Dorne with some Dornish Red or Arbor Gold?
It's possible we may never know the answer to these questions.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 4:11 pm to Methuselah
Good stuff, thanks for the reply.
I also am intriqued by the theory of him being able to see the future. Maybe thats why he decided to lead them south is he knew the prince that was promised is finally starting his reign and the queen of dragons was about to start wrecking shite.
I also am intriqued by the theory of him being able to see the future. Maybe thats why he decided to lead them south is he knew the prince that was promised is finally starting his reign and the queen of dragons was about to start wrecking shite.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:40 pm to dallastiger55
I dunno. Martin has been stingy with info on the Others (they are called The Others in the book and the NK and the White Walkers in the show).
I think the most he has said about them are that they are strange and beautiful. He compared them to the Sidhe made of ice, and said that they were "a different sort of life ... inhuman, elegant, dangerous".
Wiki of Ice and Fire.
So, really nothing on motivation that I know of.
I think the most he has said about them are that they are strange and beautiful. He compared them to the Sidhe made of ice, and said that they were "a different sort of life ... inhuman, elegant, dangerous".
Wiki of Ice and Fire.
So, really nothing on motivation that I know of.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:00 pm to Havoc
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Have the northern banner men (non-Starks) always been such disloyal pussies or is that a new development?
In the books - thus far - the Umbers have not broken faith with the Starks. The Karstarks did because of Robb's actions in punishing their men.
But, the Umbers were merely hedging because the Greatjon was still a hostage of the Freys. Half the Umbers sided with the Boltons - grudgingly - and the other half opposed them. Recall that Smalljon died trying to protect Robb at the Red Wedding in the novels - so the show has him behaving entirely out of character.
So, the show has not been kind to the Umbers. Most of the rest of the northern bannermen are fairly reliable. We'll see soon enough what they're made of with the Dragon Queen coming north and the Night King coming south.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 7:01 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 4:58 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 9/3/17 at 5:56 pm to Methuselah
I think I may be on board with the theory that Bran is the Night King. Someone posted a theory in another thread that essentially stated that Bran wargs into the man that the children of the forest turn into the NK and gets stuck in his body. Perhaps he's not all bad after all and just wants to die. He knows Jon is the prince that was promised and he waits all this time for Bran to be born and starts causing destruction forcing everyone in Westeros to search for a solution. Maybe the solution is to kill Bran before he becomes the NK and he hopes that Jon will discover this and do it.
This post was edited on 9/3/17 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 9/3/17 at 11:37 pm to hawgfaninc
Posted on 9/4/17 at 1:01 am to RollTide1987
Here's how I think it goes down:
-Danny refuses to believe Bran
-Later Jon doesn't die from the dead dragon's fire, proving his Targaeryan roots.
-They marry because incest is en vogue, and have a son named Aeddard.
-Danny refuses to believe Bran
-Later Jon doesn't die from the dead dragon's fire, proving his Targaeryan roots.
-They marry because incest is en vogue, and have a son named Aeddard.
This post was edited on 9/4/17 at 1:03 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:06 am to emanresu
Posted on 9/4/17 at 11:32 am to emanresu
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This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 3:42 am
Posted on 9/4/17 at 12:25 pm to Methuselah
the explanation of the irregular seasons in westeros likely contains the answer of the role of the white walkers in the story. As to what that answer is we don't know yet
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