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re: Game of Thrones S7 E6 "Beyond The Wall" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:56 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:56 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Why are you the way that you are?
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Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:57 pm to wildtigercat93
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Why are you the way that you are?
Because you yet breathe!
Posted on 8/21/17 at 2:59 pm to 1BamaRTR
they are aunt and nephew. given the seven years weve spent in this universe, i would be very surprised if people didnt care, if not just jon who wasnt raised in the lifestyle were legit blood related incestuous relationships took place
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:03 pm to WestCoastAg
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they are aunt and nephew. given the seven years weve spent in this universe, i would be very surprised if people didnt care
Yes I know they're aunt and nephew. And so what if people do care? You think that they're going to riot or something? Plus you really don't think incest wasn't happening among other Houses or among the peasants?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:08 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:i think it will cause people to question their ability to rule and legitimacy. that is like the exact reason why jaime and cersei are not public with their relationship
You think that they're going to riot or something?
quote:well duh, it probably was happening just like it probably happens now. doesnt mean that it was widely accepted or that most people arent fans of it. its very likely that dany might be cool with it, but jon wont be. that alone will keep it from happening before we even get into how an open blood related incestuous relationship will be handled by the populace
Plus you really don't think incest wasn't happening among other Houses or among the peasants?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:15 pm to WestCoastAg
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i think it will cause people to question their ability to rule and legitimacy. that is like the exact reason why jaime and cersei are not public with their relationship
Not really.
Jamie and Cersei would have been executed by Rob at first.
And then their children ruled through that lie.
Not exactly the same as if Dany and Jon hooked up.
They are not hiding fake bloodlines or committing adultery.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:17 pm to wildtigercat93
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Well like you said it's a pretty obvious thing to do with the sword, so there wouldn't really be a point to putting it in the scene unless they were foreshadowing something.
I guess you could argue they put it in to make it clear the sword now belongs to House Stark/Targaryen/Snow (whatever Jon will call his house)
Plus, Jon Snow is a dick if he doesn't acknowledge that he has Jorah's old sword.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:18 pm to Mystery
didnt this whole thing start with the legitimacy of joffery's claim to the throne based on cersei and jaimie hiding the fact that he was their child?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:19 pm to 1BamaRTR
it doesnt matter what "the people" think or dont think.
the writers of this show are not going to have the two heroes of the story knowingly commit incest
once it is revealed who jon's parents are, thats it...no more googly eyes and fawning glances (or sex)
the writers of this show are not going to have the two heroes of the story knowingly commit incest
once it is revealed who jon's parents are, thats it...no more googly eyes and fawning glances (or sex)
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:19 pm to WestCoastAg
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i think it will cause people to question their ability to rule and legitimacy.
Once again so what? If Dany and/or Jon really save everyone I don't think people will care much about their relationship. Plenty of the major royal families in real life also featured some incest. Most of them weren't overthrown because of it. Also brother sister might be looked more down upon but they're not brother and sister. You're just assuming that people might be feel drastically different just seven years after the Targs but they may not.
There's no way the show has been pushing for their relationship just for nothing to come of it. Honestly we probably won't even see the commoners' reactions. The show will probably end with the war being over and that's it.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:21 pm to ohiovol
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Plus, Jon Snow is a dick if he doesn't acknowledge that he has Jorah's old sword.
brings up another thing lost in the rush...
JORAH: Jon...you were in the night's watch...i met somebody who says he served with you, he even cured my greyscale.
JON: Edd?
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:21 pm to cgrand
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Game of Thrones S7 E6 "Beyond The Wall" MAESTERS THREAD NO SPOILERS
it doesnt matter what "the people" think or dont think.
the writers of this show are not going to have the two heroes of the story knowingly commit incest
Would George RR Martin? Because they're getting this from him.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:22 pm to 1BamaRTR
quote:you really dont see a problem with their heirs having legitimacy problems?
Once again so what?
quote:yea, three and fourth cousins got married. not aunt and nephews
Plenty of the major royal families in real life also featured some incest
quote:they are fairly closely related blood relatives. people in this universe have a problem with brother and sister relationships. i dont see why people would feel differently about aunt and nephew
quote:thats exactly whats going to happen and its frustrating that the show is doing that. jon or dany will find out eventually and its going to end their relationship. thats the road this show is going on to add more drama to the last season
There's no way the show has been pushing for their relationship just for nothing to come of it.
This post was edited on 8/21/17 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:22 pm to WestCoastAg
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didnt this whole thing start with the legitimacy of joffery's claim to the throne based on cersei and jaimie hiding the fact that he was their child?
Ned found out the truth, he told Stannis. Stannis told the 7 kingdoms with ravens.
The Lannisters still disputed this and said it was just lies.
But what do you mean started? Yes, like I said a fake bloodline and adultery was the issue that started the war of 5 kings. It wasn't just because they slept together. If Jamie was Rob and was the King, it would have just been a nasty rumor not a war.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:25 pm to ohiovol
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On the bright side, I think the next episode will be really, really good.
RA'D FOR SPOILERS.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:25 pm to Mystery
quote:this whole string of events happened when ned found out about jofferey's true llineage and was murdered because of it
But what do you mean started?
quote:they slept together, had a child, had to hide it for multiple reasons, and then the truth came out and ned was murdered to keep it quiet to protect joffereys claim to the throne
Yes, like I said a fake bloodline and adultery was the issue that started the war of 5 kings. It wasn't just because they slept together
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:27 pm to WestCoastAg
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they slept together, had a child, had to hide it for multiple reasons, and then the truth came out and ned was murdered to keep it quiet to protect joffereys claim to the throne
The difference is that Joffrey's claim was through Robert. If he was a bastard, he wasn't the rightful heir.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:28 pm to cgrand
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it doesnt matter what "the people" think or dont think. the writers of this show are not going to have the two heroes of the story knowingly commit incest once it is revealed who jon's parents are, thats it...no more googly eyes and fawning glances (or sex)
I'm not so sure about that. Incest was the Targaryen way. Sort of like the "Home" episode of X-Files but for a Westeros royal family.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:29 pm to WestCoastAg
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they slept together, had a child, had to hide it for multiple reasons, and then the truth came out and ned was murdered to keep it quiet to protect joffereys claim to the throne
Lol, they had to hide it to keep the bloodline to rule and stay alive. It wasn't because of the actual incest. incest is looked down upon yes but that was not the issue. The issue was the Baratheon bloodline.
There is a reason that Cersei does not give a shite anymore now that their is nobody to oppose her besides Dany. She could not have her kingly sons named bastards.
Posted on 8/21/17 at 3:30 pm to Mystery
quote:i never said the incest was the biggest reason they hid it. i am inferring that it probably was one of the reasons on top of all the other reasons to keep it hidden
It wasn't because of the actual incest. incest is looked down upon yes but that was not the issue. The issue was the Baratheon bloodline.
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