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re: Game of Thrones S6:E4 "Book of The Stranger" Bookreader Thread
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:40 am to Bamatab
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:40 am to Bamatab
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I have a feeling that the horn that Euron has isn't actually a dragon horn, but is the horn that takes down the Wall. And that is if he even has the horn on the show (which I assume he does).
First, the horn is supposed to be a dragon binder horn. Not to "defeat" a dragon but to control one. That's Euron's whole pitch, make me your king and we'll go to war with a dragon. Not make me your king and I'll go on a lark to kill a dragon that we have no issues with at present.
And I think the horn of Juramon is the broken one that Jon found with the dragonglass and gave to Sam. It's like in Indiana Jones when the Holy Grail was the unassuming wood cup when everyone thought it had to be something fancy and impressive.
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:43 am to Byron Bojangles III
I will repost this every few pages because Briemund will be a thing!
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:45 am to wildtigercat93
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I'm thinking that after the battle of the bastards, Sam will send Jon a letter telling him he needs to start collecting dragon glass, and he will send Davos to dragon stone to retrieve as many men and as much dragon glass as he can.
They better not let Brienne get out of the North with that Valyrian steel sword.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:46 am to Byron Bojangles III
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I will repost this every few pages because Briemund will be a thing!
He's definitely wanting some. He'll want her anymore when he tries to take her spearwife style and she fricks him up.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:47 am to Ace Midnight
The Lannisters lost a bunch of battles as well-the Vale's army is probably in the best shape in this point in the series.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:48 am to PsychTiger
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They better not let Brienne get out of the North with that Valyrian steel sword.
I think one of the upcoming episode descriptions is that Brienne gets sent on a mission or something. So I'm guessing she gets sent to the Riverlands pretty soon.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:49 am to montanagator
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I think people may be underestimating that Jon has an insanely good recruiting pitch- being a messianic figure probably helps when raising an army.
As long as he doesn't use Tormund as his pitch man.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:51 am to NIH
The Tyrell's also should have taken minimal losses and control a very populous region.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:52 am to NIH
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The Lannisters lost a bunch of battles as well-the Vale's army is probably in the best shape in this point in the series.
I agree that the Vale and Dorne are unblooded - but that blood also comes with experience. It would be tough for the Vale and Dorne together to jump on a combined Tyrell-Lannister army, even if they had them outnumbered. But, if you figure the North - at full strength is about 45 to 50 thousand in the defense, but they lost 12 to 15 thousand in the war, plus they're split and spread out, a full strength Vale army (45k to 50k as well) - by itself - could cause them a lot of problems. Combine that with some Stark loyalists (we must assume at least the Manderlys at this point) and the Wildling army - that is probably the projected battle at the walls of Winterfell where all Melisandre can see is "snow".
Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:59 am to Ace Midnight
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But, if you figure the North - at full strength is about 45 to 50 thousand in the defense, but they lost 12 to 15 thousand in the war, plus they're split and spread out, a full strength Vale army (45k to 50k as well) - by itself - could cause them a lot of problems.
Where are you getting these numbers? The Northern army that Robb commanded was only 18,000, and the Vale has similar numbers (at least in the books). The only remaining standing army in Westeros that is close to 45k is the Tyrell and Lannister armies, and I'm not sure they are even close to that after the War of the Five Kings.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:00 pm to Putty
quote:Wasn't Rhaegar already married?
Unless Raegar and Lyanna were secretly married.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:01 pm to Bamatab
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Where are you getting these numbers?
Right here
Obviously, no one can take all their knights on the offense, as someone has to stay back to secure castles, fight raiders/bandits, defend against enemy cavalry, etc. But, this is what I'm basing it on.
(ETA: And I agree the Vale could send forth, at most, a campaigning force of perhaps 18k to 20k based on all the numbers from other similar situations - Robb brought roughly 1/3 of the North's maximum strength - as did most other participants in the war.)
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:02 pm to King George
Didn't stop Aegon.
Also from the Hodor thread,
Also from the Hodor thread,
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that Cersi and Ned had the hots for each other but because of the Kidnapping and the need to join houses they couldn't be together? Ned had to marry his brother's wife, Cersi had to marry Robert for the family.
Neither had any aspirations of their own? (cept maybe Cersi/Jamie, but that was because of her hatred for Robert) "stupid"?
Seems like a plausible backstory, unless things in the book say it isn't possible.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:03 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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Briemund
Sounds like a fancy cheese
.Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:07 pm to Ace Midnight
Yeah Robb's army of 18k was never the full strength of the north. If you look the North is fricking huge, though sparsely populated, so actually assembling the entire strength of the north is an issue since you have to leave defenders for so much territory (taking Wildlings into account).
The combined Crowlands + Lannister army has taken losses, but I can't imagine anyone else outnumbering an unbloodied Tyrell army. Maybe Jaime is just lying when he says Mace has the second largest? Maybe Mace left a large contingent to guard against Dorne?
The combined Crowlands + Lannister army has taken losses, but I can't imagine anyone else outnumbering an unbloodied Tyrell army. Maybe Jaime is just lying when he says Mace has the second largest? Maybe Mace left a large contingent to guard against Dorne?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:07 pm to BluegrassBelle
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quote:Yea, keep this stuff out. We've always discussed trailers, previews, and casting info in the show threads. That stuff has never been an issue. The only thing we don't discuss in these threads is straight up episode leaks and pictures not released from HBO themselves. IMO that's a pretty easy, clear line to draw.
Seems like it is indeed an area of some dispute. I just hold off on posting the stuff, though sometimes it is hard not to post some of what seems like well known info in other places on the net. (Strangely enough in places like Watchers on the Wall which can be highly phobic to info from books but readily discusses trailers, still shots and casting call info from HBO/GoT).
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:07 pm to CorporateTiger
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The Tyrell's also should have taken minimal losses and control a very populous region.
Everyone always talks about the "Might of Highgarden". In any case, isn't Mace currently having his standing army marched up to Kings Landing anyway to take care of Margery?
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:09 pm to hawgfaninc
quote:It's rarely satisfying on this show. I could see him getting "recruited" by the WW, though, after refusing to believe they exist.
Slow flaying alive or burned by the red woman seems fitting. Could also see him being smashed by a giant
And the Red Woman has her own problems. Brienne hates her and needs revenge for Renly, and I'm sure a few of the soldiers who deserted after Shireen was burned are creeping around somewhere. Davos will most likely find out what happened eventually.
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:10 pm to Ace Midnight
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Obviously, no one can take all their knights on the offense, as someone has to stay back to secure castles, fight raiders/bandits, defend against enemy cavalry, etc. But, this is what I'm basing it on. (ETA: And I agree the Vale could send forth, at most, a campaigning force of perhaps 18k to 20k based on all the numbers from other similar situations - Robb brought roughly 1/3 of the North's maximum strength - as did most other participants in the war.)
But those are theoretical numbers based what they could've gathered in the past. But when push came to shove, Robb could only muster up 18,000 to take south, and the rest of the North was left pretty much defenseless. So I don't think those numbers are realistic at all, especially on the show.
And the Boltons apparently only have around 5,000, and they are the largest remaining house in the North. So even with the Umbers, I doubt anyone could actually muster a northern army of over 15,000 at this point.
This post was edited on 5/16/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 5/16/16 at 12:10 pm to CorporateTiger
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Maybe Jaime is just lying when he says Mace has the second largest?
Could be a script error - my best guess is that he means, "In the area" - as the combined Crownlands and local Lannister (plus all the sellswords the Lannisters employ) army would likely be larger. Not necessarily 100% of Highgarden vs 100% of Casterly Rock, plus the Crown because even then I think Highgarden would be a slightly larger force.
But, at this point, with all the killing and plundering who knows?
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