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re: Game of Thrones S4E10 "The Children" Maesters thread SPOILERS!!!

Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:32 am to
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:32 am to
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In the show they have him with two good eyes.

Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:43 am to
Tough to tell. I wish they would have made it more definitive, but I guess one eye is messed up.
Posted by frankenfish
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:45 am to
I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts. It's been years since I read the books so I've forgotten a lot.

I don't recall Mance being as obvious that their intent was to just get south of the wall? My recollection is that John Snow invited them south only after they knew they were defeated and to augment the Night's Watch.

If I'm a Hodor the way it's set up I'd assume 100,000 wildlings want south of the wall and Stannis needs troops. Mance and Stannis could partner and suddenly you have a real force in the north. Why then would John Snow hinder this? He knows and respects Mance, he says Stannis is the true king- unless he thinks the wildlings are needed to defend the wall from the white walkers...

That's what I was left thinking after last night.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 7:47 am to
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If I'm a Hodor the way it's set up I'd assume 100,000 wildlings want south of the wall and Stannis needs troops. Mance and Stannis could partner and suddenly you have a real force in the north. Why then would John Snow hinder this? He knows and respects Mance, he says Stannis is the true king- unless he thinks the wildlings are needed to defend the wall from the white walkers...



Because Mance intended that the Free Folk keep up there way of life. That would lead to the deaths of thousands in the North. If they could be controlled, then no problem, which is why Jon and Stannis let them through when they have control over them.
Posted by Finkle is Einhorn
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:02 am to
LINK

Interesting comments by GRRM on Shae being a Varys plant.

That was another aspect I felt the show missed last night. After Jamie and Tyrion have their talk in the tunnels varys is leading Tyrion and kinda nudges Tyrion to the Hands chambers.

And after reading that interview it makes sense that Varys may have plotted the entire thing.

But from the show last night Tyrion's motivation seems to be that he will just become what people already think about him?
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 8:05 am
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:08 am to
from the hodor thread

quote:

But if the coin meant enough to the captain, he could have decided to do whatever she wanted and canceled his trip to Braavos

Sounds like another poster confirmed that they are going to Braavos based on a spoiler




now we spoiled arya going to braavos
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:10 am to
They're so dumb .
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:14 am to
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Welcome aboard. One of the main reasons I want to read the books is to see what Martin does with her. There's no way she's as worthless. Her story once again went nowhere this year besides Jorah.


"hodor" said hodor


Next season needs to be Cersei being a crazy bitch,the wall and Ayra training plus wolf dreams.

The first scene should be an Ayra wolf dream to establish the conflict with the faceless men.



Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:23 am to
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After Jamie and Tyrion have their talk in the tunnels varys is leading Tyrion and kinda nudges Tyrion to the Hands chambers.

And after reading that interview it makes sense that Varys may have plotted the entire thing.



Yeah. I don't think he planted Shae there, since she was merely gravy at that point. I do think he put the chest below the crossbow though, since that sounded highly suspicious that a chest would be below there. I think he was counting on Tyrion entering silently, him seeing the crossbow, and then killing Tywin with it. Varys could have easily stopped Tyrion from going up there, but he goaded him into it.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 8:34 am
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:43 am to
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You seriously don't see that Arya is on her way to become a Faceless Man?


posted by Cokes
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I don't see that.


god he's retarded
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:44 am to
come on, it's not obvious
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:47 am to
sarcasm?
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:48 am to
no

it's not obvious, especially not in the show

the hodors say/ask many stupid things, but that is not one othem
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:50 am to
there's literally no other reason to go to braavos
Posted by busbeepbeep
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:52 am to
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there's literally no other reason to go to braavos

eh, they could assume she wants to go get swordfighting lessons since Syrio was from Braavos
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:52 am to
there is nothing for her in Westeros, why not go to Braavos and find the FM?

there are plenty of other options for her other than becoming a FM

jesus
Posted by Byron Bojangles III
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:53 am to
feel like i'm talking to hodors right now.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 8:57 am to
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there are plenty of other options for her other than becoming a FM



I guess Arya could become a banker.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:03 am to
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Yeah. I don't think he planted Shae there, since she was merely gravy at that point. I do think he put the chest below the crossbow though, since that sounded highly suspicious that a chest would be below there. I think he was counting on Tyrion entering silently, him seeing the crossbow, and then killing Tywin with it. Varys could have easily stopped Tyrion from going up there, but he goaded him into it.


except Varys brought Tyrion to the ship, watched him be loaded on to the deck, heard the bells tolling for the death of Tywin and realized he couldnt go back to king's landing because he would be blamed as a co-conspirator for the murder of the king's Hand. So the look on his face when he says "what have you done" and then his resignation while sitting on the deck next to Tyrion's box tells me he didnt plan the murder at all.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 9:08 am to
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except Varys brought Tyrion to the ship, watched him be loaded on to the deck, heard the bells tolling for the death of Tywin and realized he couldnt go back to king's landing because he would be blamed as a co-conspirator for the murder of the king's Hand. So the look on his face when he says "what have you done" and then his resignation while sitting on the deck next to Tyrion's box tells me he didnt plan the murder at all.



But that's the show, not the books. Varys certainly goaded Tyrion into killing him in the books and gave incredibly specific details on how to get into Tywin's bedchamber. He never fooled me for a second that that was what he wanted.
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