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Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:01 am to Napoleon
yeah, I didn't really want him to get resurrected by Mel beforehand, only because we've seen the red God and Mel be incredibly evil )Shireens), and I didn't want Jon stuck at the hip to that religion. But they kind of maneuvered away from that by basically saying Mel's power is more like Magic tricks than miracles
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:01 am to Kujo
I don't think you know who Azora Ahai is then
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:02 am to Napoleon
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I see some people though Jon should have been resurrected in the flames, and I agree.
I thought the show was setting that scene up with foreshadowing. Particularly deviating from Maester Aemon's death in the books.
But, I'm fine with the way it happened. A nod to the Ghost theories included in the scene as well. Plus, Jon isn't "the dragon" or the "mother of dragons" - he needs a different story - and different "return" if you will.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:03 am to wildtigercat93
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Azora Ahai
Jaqen H'ghar
I guess not close, and no, I don't remember the character Azora
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:05 am to Kujo
It's the name for what boils down to the Fire Gods version of Jesus. It's who Mel thought Stannis was.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:10 am to wildtigercat93
In every fantasy movie or story there always seems to be a "price" for bringing back someone from the dead. Do yall think Jon's just back and everything will be normal? And if not, what do you think that price may be?
Sorry if already discussed.
Sorry if already discussed.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:17 am to Pitch To Johnny
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In every fantasy movie or story there always seems to be a "price" for bringing back someone from the dead.
Makes sense, in context, too. Otherwise, they'd bring everyone back.
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Do yall think Jon's just back and everything will be normal?
Absolutely not. I've been assuming that Melisandre has to die to accomplish this. That doesn't appear to have happened on the show. We'll see.
In the show, we've had Dondarrion. He pays the price for coming back, though, not Thoros. We have Frankenmountain, as well, although we do not know the exact price at this point. Obviously, it appears he retains no individuality or will of his own - he is the personification of Cersei's rage at this point.
In the books, we have those, plus LSH - again, with a cost.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:22 am to Ace Midnight
No one had to die for Berrick Dondarrian to come back to life 6 times
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:28 am to Byron Bojangles III
but he didn't just come back 100% either
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:33 am to Salmon
He still seemed relatively normal even after the sixth time
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:35 am to Ace Midnight
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I've been assuming that Melisandre has to die to accomplish this
I can see this. And I think I would be happiest with that story line. Jon is back 100%, and Melisandre sacrificed herself to keep the prophecy alive. I just don't want Jon to be some shadow of himself, or some half demon.
This is why I was hoping everyone was right about the rebirth by fire theories.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:36 am to Byron Bojangles III
except that he kept all the injuries and he lost memories each time he was brought back
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:36 am to Salmon
it's kind of silly that he was the champion for the trial by combat if he was physically hurt from all his deaths
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's kind of silly that he was the champion for the trial by combat
volunteer the guy who doesn't die or the one who does?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:39 am to Kujo
but he's likely to lose against any guy worth a frick, so their trial is pointless
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:43 am to Byron Bojangles III
Guess we'll see next episode how he acts 
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.Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:50 am to Byron Bojangles III
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No one had to die for Berrick Dondarrian to come back to life 6 times
No, but there was a cost. He was weaker and changed every time. In the books, he had an additional cost with regards to LSH.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:51 am to Byron Bojangles III
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No one had to die for Berrick Dondarrian to come back to life 6 times
The original actor that played Beric lost his job...that was the price.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:54 am to Ace Midnight
I was hoping he would be a dragon. I'm really thinking he may well be. Unless we get a curveball and Jon was never in the TOJ.
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