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re: Game of Thrones 2:2, SPOILERS HERE - FOR ALL BOOK READERS
Posted on 4/11/12 at 1:58 pm to CottonWasKing
Posted on 4/11/12 at 1:58 pm to CottonWasKing
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I think jon is AA. And as much as it pains me to say it. Dany is nissa
I actually could see this as well. I've kinda seen Dany as taking the bullet to save the realm from the start, but it could easily be Jon instead. I really don't see both surviving. The survivor winds up as King, either Sansa or Rickon winds up ruling the north in Winterfell, and hopefully Tyrion winds up getting his birthright in Casterly Rock. But this is Martin, so who the hell knows. His books have had happy endings on occasion, but more often they have in the middle endings where some live and some die.
I also see Jamie dying in someway to redeem himself and help save someone or the realm.
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Posted on 4/11/12 at 1:59 pm to auyushu
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I also see Jamie dying in someway to redeem himself and help save someone or the realm.
Brienne?
Posted on 4/11/12 at 2:03 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Bran and Bloodraven have some plans for Theon. I'm not sure what it is, but the way he spoke to him through the Winterfell weirwood and the crows yelling Theon, I think their stories will go together.
Given how the sample chapter has Asha asking Stannis to kill him under a heart tree I have a feeling Bran will speak through the tree before the execution, letting Stannis and others know he is still alive, and bringing the Rickon/Bran story to light.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 2:05 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Brienne?
I dunno, if he dies to UnCat I'm going to be very disappointed. But I could see him saving Brienne for sure, or the opposite.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 2:52 pm to Methuselah
As someone who is currently reading book 3, Stannis doing Mellesindre on the table makes sense. Remember, she "birthed" the shadow in the book. That implies that someone had to "conceive" the shadow.
SPOILERS:
In the third book, Mellesindre wants Davos's "life force" to conceive another shadow. This makes the scene of Stannis making it with Mellesindre make sense.
SPOILERS:
In the third book, Mellesindre wants Davos's "life force" to conceive another shadow. This makes the scene of Stannis making it with Mellesindre make sense.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:06 pm to kingbob
So without a complete world map, its hard to figure just where Westeros lies latitudinally in relation to say, Slaver's Bay. Does the continent of Essos suffer from the same decades long winters as Westeros? Are the Others known to the rest of the world? (I can remember one mention of "the Great Other", who would seem to be connected to the northern Others, but they don't seem ingrained in the culture like in Westeros.)
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:11 pm to shinerfan
Something I never understood, how is it the deven Kingdoms? If there are nine lands?
Which ones never had Kings?
This post was edited on 4/11/12 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:29 pm to kingbob
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In the third book, Mellesindre wants Davos's "life force" to conceive another shadow. This makes the scene of Stannis making it with Mellesindre make sense.
She also refers to the shadows as her sons, which ties into her giving Stannis sons comment. On a side note, this is a spoilers thread for the whole series man, you don't have to spoiler tag anything, and you might want to watch out if you haven't finished the series.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:37 pm to Napoleon
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Something I never understood, how is it the deven Kingdoms? If there are nine lands?
Which ones never had Kings?
The Kings Landing/Dragonstone area wouldn't be considered a kingdom, as it only became a true part of westeros after the Targs invaded and took over. Dragonstone was actually a western province of the Valyrian empire before the Doom struck.
I believe the other place that isn't a kingdom would be the Riverlands, as the Iron Islands controlled the area when the Targs invaded. Harren the Black had just finished building his castle at Harrenhall right when the invasion took place.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:41 pm to Napoleon
I'm pretty sure the Tully's were raised up after Roberts rebellion. And the Targ's don't count because they were never one of the seven kingdoms they just conquered all of them.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 3:54 pm to SLafourche07
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I'm pretty sure the Tully's were raised up after Roberts rebellion.
The Tully's were raised up by Aegon after he invaded since they sided with him over Harren. The Tyrell's were also raised up by Aegon after he won the invasion. That's one of the reasons Mace is so hardcore for marrying into the kingship, his line has no true history of kingdom.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:45 pm to Napoleon
The seven kingdoms were
The Kingdom of The North ruled by the Starks
The Kingdom of The Vale and Sky ruled by the Arryns
The Kingdom of The Rock ruled by the Lannisters
The Kingdom of The Reach ruled by the Gardeners. Later controlled by the Tyrells during the War of Conquest
Kingdom of The Stormlands ruled by the Baratheons after the War of Conquest. As far as I know the ancient Storm Kings weren't given family names
Kingdom of Dorne Ruled by House Martell after the Warrior princess Nymeria married into the Martell family.
The Kingdom of The North ruled by the Starks
The Kingdom of The Vale and Sky ruled by the Arryns
The Kingdom of The Rock ruled by the Lannisters
The Kingdom of The Reach ruled by the Gardeners. Later controlled by the Tyrells during the War of Conquest
Kingdom of The Stormlands ruled by the Baratheons after the War of Conquest. As far as I know the ancient Storm Kings weren't given family names
Kingdom of Dorne Ruled by House Martell after the Warrior princess Nymeria married into the Martell family.
This post was edited on 4/11/12 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:48 pm to auyushu
So for those who have read Dance, and the Winds Sample chapter, could you please clear up some of my confusion?
The timeline issues are really throwing me for a loop, well that and characters lie, but what exactly is going on with Ramsay and Stannis?
I actually believed that Stannis was captured by Ramsay and whatnot. Is Winds sample just a POV that is slightly behind the ends of Dance, or just Ramsay bull shitting?
The timeline issues are really throwing me for a loop, well that and characters lie, but what exactly is going on with Ramsay and Stannis?
I actually believed that Stannis was captured by Ramsay and whatnot. Is Winds sample just a POV that is slightly behind the ends of Dance, or just Ramsay bull shitting?
Posted on 4/11/12 at 4:50 pm to ATLienTiger
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I actually believed that Stannis was captured by Ramsay and whatnot. Is Winds sample just a POV that is slightly behind the ends of Dance, or just Ramsay bull shitting?
We don't exactly know right now but given the bastard of Bolton's history I think he is full of shite.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:03 pm to CottonWasKing
Okay, so I was correct in that nothing has been proved or disproved.
I just thought it was definitely possible since Stannis really is a meager force all things considered and him marching south against all warnings otherwise was pretty damn stupid.
I just thought it was definitely possible since Stannis really is a meager force all things considered and him marching south against all warnings otherwise was pretty damn stupid.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:03 pm to ATLienTiger
I could see it going either way. If Stannis has outlived the use Martin hd for him and if his death/capture would pave the way for the next steps Martin wants to take I could see him going down.
On the other hand, if Bolton really did just send the Frey's and Manderlays after Stannis first, I doubt that they beat him. They are much more liable to kill one another and Manderlay doesn't have any love at all for Bolton IIRC. And if he sent them out they failed and he then comes after Stannis himself, the time line would get kid of strained (although Martin has been known to jump back and forth time wise to a great extent).
On the other hand, if Bolton really did just send the Frey's and Manderlays after Stannis first, I doubt that they beat him. They are much more liable to kill one another and Manderlay doesn't have any love at all for Bolton IIRC. And if he sent them out they failed and he then comes after Stannis himself, the time line would get kid of strained (although Martin has been known to jump back and forth time wise to a great extent).
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:03 pm to ATLienTiger
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I actually believed that Stannis was captured by Ramsay and whatnot. Is Winds sample just a POV that is slightly behind the ends of Dance, or just Ramsay bull shitting?
Given that Theon is with Stannis, it'd be hard for Ramsay to have crushed Stannis and still need to capture him. It's pretty safe to say he's full of it. It's probably just another of Martin's red herrings like Davos supposedly having his head and hands cut off and posted up in White Harbor, only to be shown alive later.
This post was edited on 4/11/12 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:09 pm to ATLienTiger
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I just thought it was definitely possible since Stannis really is a meager force all things considered and him marching south against all warnings otherwise was pretty damn stupid.
You do realize he has like close to seven thousand men in his army that's on it's way to Winterfell right? He picked up most of the armed forces of the hill tribes of the North (Wulls and whatnot) as well as the Mormont's on Bear Island before taking Deepwood Motte. He would also have Whoresbane's group of young green boys to add to his group as well. Take away the men Roose sent out with the Freys and Manderleys and he probably matches the Bolton's in Winterfell right now.
This post was edited on 4/11/12 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:13 pm to auyushu
Stannis's army has been ravaged by winter. I doubt he has nearly as many as he started with.
Posted on 4/11/12 at 5:14 pm to auyushu
Not to mention Stannis is twice the battlefield commander Ramsay Bolton ever thought of being. I'm not saying Ramsay can't or won't beat him but it will be a bloodbath
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