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re: Force Awakens Revisited
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:49 pm to BulldogXero
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:49 pm to BulldogXero
Great fricking posts. I mean if you suck the energy out of the sun why even shoot the planets? The whole solar system is dead at that point.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:51 pm to Rou Leed
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Great fricking posts. I mean if you suck the energy out of the sun why even shoot the planets? The whole solar system is dead at that point.
My mouse has been double clicking for no reason lately
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:51 pm to OMLandshark
Can we all agree these were miles better than the prequels?
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:54 pm to BulldogXero
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Many things in the Force Awakens do not stand to scrutiny once the initial wow factor of seeing it in the theater wears
I agree. For instance how can people harness and master the force? I've never seen anyone do it IRL.
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it would likely take a pretty good pilot to pull off a stunt like that, planetary shields are pretty much useless now that we know a crack pilot can just pull out of lightspeed right after passing through the shields (Poe will never have to worry about shield generators).
Han was quite possible the greatest pilot in the universe and has an entire lifetime of experience as a smuggler getting in and out of things and navigating his ship with extreme precision. He's not just a "pretty good pilot". He's known across the universe as one of the best pilots ever. And he's bend honing this skills for 30 more years after we left him in the last trilogy.
I don't think Han Solo doing something risky and miraculous means anyone can do it. And I don't think it's fair to compare Poe to Solo.
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If all the energy is gone, how does it feed off of more stars? Can it move? If not, at some point they're going to run out of stars
Run out of stars? Do you have any idea how many stars there are?
I do agree with you about the rushed and seemingly missing scenes from discovery of the base to its explosion.
But the good far outweighs the bad from the movie IMO
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:54 pm to dallastiger55
I am not sure we know yet. Time will tell.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:55 pm to Rou Leed
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mean if you suck the energy out of the sun why even shoot the planets
To send a message. And to make sure that although you kill the solar system, anything living on the target is actually dead. People can escape still from the other planets.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:56 pm to Breesus
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Run out of stars? Do you have any idea how many stars there are?
How close do they have to be to a star to harness it's energy? It looked like Starkiller base may have been in orbit around the star it was gaining its power from. Assuming Starkiller base is in orbit around that star, I assume it had some kind of heating system or shielding to prevent everyone freezing to death in minutes after the sun goes dark? See, you just didn't need this kind of information on the Death Star. It was just a big space weapon that fired a giant laser beam capable of destroying planets. It didn't need any more of an explanation. Starkiller base requires a lot of explanation.
I also think Poe is a pretty damn good pilot. Not just because Finn enthusiastically told me so but just due to the things I saw him do in the film. He put Han Solo in the OT to shame.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 9:57 pm to Rou Leed
I loved it, but now watching it at home I find it drags during some parts. Han Solo getting back in his ship and running from that monster. Anything with Finn.
I just want to see more and more of Kylo Ren and not have to sit through most of the other things.
I just want to see more and more of Kylo Ren and not have to sit through most of the other things.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:21 pm to BulldogXero
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He put Han Solo in the OT to shame.
No
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:31 pm to BulldogXero
Close range combat on a planet =/= interstellar travel through multiple systems at high speeds with precise navigation.
The best fighter pilot in the world might have a hard time navigating a space ship to the moon and back
The best fighter pilot in the world might have a hard time navigating a space ship to the moon and back
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:33 pm to Breesus
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I do agree with you about the rushed and seemingly missing scenes from discovery of the base to its explosion.
this
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:41 pm to Rou Leed
I get chills every time I watch the Luke scene again. Mark Hamill is awesome and it's a shame his live action acting has been typecast. He is a legit acting talent.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:44 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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that was the force awakening, then it needs to be put to sleep. It was the definition of meh.
So I guess it's trendy to hate on the new Star Wars already. It took a couple decades for the original ones to be deemed meh.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 10:44 pm to Rou Leed
It was a "setup movie" for a trilogy. I hate that they did that, but it happened.
The beauty of the originals is that they all meshed well without feeling too episodic. Stories were brought up and concluded by the end of the movie. You always had the "how will they defeat the empire?!" story but everything else was given closure in every movie.
With this one they were OBVIOUSLY going for a trilogy to tell a story. TFA wasn't bad by any means but I hate how it was made to be a "Part 1".
The beauty of the originals is that they all meshed well without feeling too episodic. Stories were brought up and concluded by the end of the movie. You always had the "how will they defeat the empire?!" story but everything else was given closure in every movie.
With this one they were OBVIOUSLY going for a trilogy to tell a story. TFA wasn't bad by any means but I hate how it was made to be a "Part 1".
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:10 pm to Srbtiger06
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With this one they were OBVIOUSLY going for a trilogy to tell a story. TFA wasn't bad by any means but I hate how it was made to be a "Part 1".
It's more of a bridge between the old and the new that sets up a movie and a sequel
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:29 pm to Old Sarge
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I fell asleep
My kids don't want to watch it over and over like every other Star Wars movie
Sums it up
Not just you and your kids, Sarge. I bought it early on Amazon, watched it once, then about halfway through again before closing it after a big yawn.
Hopefully the next ones are more engaging.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:32 pm to Breesus
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Close range combat on a planet =/= interstellar travel through multiple systems at high speeds with precise navigation. The best fighter pilot in the world might have a hard time navigating a space ship to the moon and back
Navigational charts assist with that plotting courses between systems.
Han Solo was meant to be the dashing badboy character, but I don't think he's intended to be the best pilot in the galaxy. If anything, his ship is more famous than he is. Everybody says The Millenium Falcon made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs not Han Solo.
I think an argument can be made for Luke being a better pilot than Han.
Even if Han happens to be the best pilot in the universe, he still has to obey the laws of physics. If Han is .0001 seconds late dropping out of hyperspace, they face plant into the planet surface, exploding into a million pieces. I don't buy that Han was just that lucky or skilled.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:35 pm to BulldogXero
quote:I hate to say this, but I agree. I kinda felt that way after Episode 1... it was AWESOME because Star Wars was back; and eventually I came to grips with the fact that I'd been conned.
Many things in the Force Awakens do not stand to scrutiny once the initial wow factor of seeing it in the theater wears off.
quote:I really didn't care for the scenes showing Poe flying. It was like watching a video game with great graphics, but 1980's physics. You can't begin to follow an F-15 in combat from the ground, but you can pan the camera around and watch Poe become an ace (5 kills), in what looks like maybe 500 square feet of airspace. That does NOT stand up to repeated viewing.
Poe's X-Wing has more screen time than Poe himself. We don't really learn a lot about Poe aside from he "can fly anything and he's "a really great pilot."
quote:Abrams did this with the Star Trek reboot. Old Spock could stand outside and watch Vulcan collapse into a black hole, during broad daylight. If you judge from his view, he was no further from Vulcan than we are from the Moon. Just doesn't make any logistical sense.
Why can I see the Hosnian system blowing up from Takodana? According to the official galaxy map, Takodana is nowhere near Hosnian Prime. Yet another shot that I assume JJ just thought would look cool.
In this Star Wars, yeah... watching the destruction unfold from the ground makes absolutely no sense. It would take 4 years for us to see anything from the next nearest star here, they were watching it up close and real-time. That again puts them in near Moon distances.
I'm not gonna geek out and demand everything be explained within advanced astrophysics, but this is something you get to before high school.
quote:Another blindingly brainless concept. People are standing outside on the surface of Starkiller, so I get that it's basically a planet in size (it has an atmosphere and trees). So... you suck the sun dry of energy... that means that entire solar system is now a dead zone. Ignoring the fact that it probably would collapse and/or go nova, you've eliminated the source of warmth and energy for that entire area. It's going to drop to pretty extreme levels of cold pretty quickly, which if the planet can't travel, would make it a wasteland (it would go from Scandinavian winter conditions, to around absolute zero, in a relatively short period of time). Second- apparently it doesn't really suck the sun dry, since they are able to reload it pretty damn quick. Does this planet just go into hyperspace and travel to another solar system? If so, why bother even shooting, you have just permanently removed that entire system.
How does it work? I get that it siphons energy from a sun but does it suck just a little bit of energy from a sun then suck more later when it comes back or does it suck the sun of all it's energy? If all the energy is gone, how does it feed off of more stars? Can it move? If not, at some point they're going to run out of stars and basically be a giant paperweight. It just sounds like something JJ Abrams added to the film because he thought it would look cool and a giant planetoid-sized space station was "Star Warsy"
Posted on 4/20/16 at 11:52 pm to Scoob
Before anyone says the skewed distances are not important, I disagree. Distance is the reason scifi dreamed up the concept of hyperspace, warp speed, etc. Even the old Buck Rogers serials of the 30's understood that, they were dealing with people on Saturn, Venus, etc.
It's the reason for the Death Star, to show systems away from the Core that the Empire can arrive anywhere and obliterate you.
I understand that modern CGI films are a visual medium and you can show anything, but hell, let's not go back to flat-earth era science understanding, just to "show us a movie".
It's the reason for the Death Star, to show systems away from the Core that the Empire can arrive anywhere and obliterate you.
I understand that modern CGI films are a visual medium and you can show anything, but hell, let's not go back to flat-earth era science understanding, just to "show us a movie".
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