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Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:10 am to BulldogXero
quote:Han was able to fly the Falcon into an asteroid field, and several times was able to evade Tie fighters with that ship. This was in Empire, and I don't think it was originally the plan... go back to A New Hope, and the way those 4 Tie fighters were able to harass the Falcon.
Han Solo was meant to be the dashing badboy character, but I don't think he's intended to be the best pilot in the galaxy. If anything, his ship is more famous than he is. Everybody says The Millenium Falcon made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs not Han Solo.
I think an argument can be made for Luke being a better pilot than Han.
Even if Han happens to be the best pilot in the universe, he still has to obey the laws of physics. If Han is .0001 seconds late dropping out of hyperspace, they face plant into the planet surface, exploding into a million pieces. I don't buy that Han was just that lucky or skilled.
That spaceship went from being as maneuverable (relative to the fighters) as a B-17 (and BTW the cockpit seems to evoke a B-17 in appearance), to being able to hang with those same small and nimble ships.
Seems like canon has changed over the years. Han went from being a freighter captain in Star Wars, to the best pilot in the galaxy by the end of the OT. The Falcon went from being a relatively cumbersome ship (compared to a Tie Fighter) with a fast "hyperdrive" engine, to the most ridiculously agile craft by the time it was over. And by then, X-Wings could go into hyperspace, something implied they couldn't do at first (the comments that the Tie fighter near Alderaan was "too small" to be there alone, that it must have been part of a convoy or something).
And of course, by the prequels, the Force was what made you the best pilot, and the Jedi had lots of small ships that could go into hyperspace. Fine, except that it was 30 years before Star Wars, per official timeline.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 12:34 am to BulldogXero
quote:This is actually a pretty big plot hole.
The concept of Starkiller base isn't bad in theory, but it wasn't handled as well as it should have been. You could ask how the Imperial Remnant managed to obtain the resources to build such a thing, but honestly that doesn't even bother me that much.
How does it work? I get that it siphons energy from a sun but does it suck just a little bit of energy from a sun then suck more later when it comes back or does it suck the sun of all it's energy? If all the energy is gone, how does it feed off of more stars? Can it move? If not, at some point they're going to run out of stars and basically be a giant paperweight. It just sounds like something JJ Abrams added to the film because he thought it would look cool and a giant planetoid-sized space station was "Star Warsy"
What is going on? It sucks the sun of energy to the point that it goes dark... and that's when it's ready to shoot. That's what we are told. Ok, so why does the star go dark? Is it now dead?
If so, Starkiller Base (planet) has to travel to another system, to find another star to drain. If so, it should (for efficiency) go to the system the Resistance base is in. You can travel in hyperspace, you may as well get close to your target.
But notice- while the sun at Starkiller Base goes dark, it's daylight at the Resistance base. So the fricking thing did not travel to their system.
So either:
Starkiller Base doesn't truly drain all the energy from the star it's orbiting (which then makes the star going dark very odd)... because there's an active star/sun shining on the base again as the Resistance attacks, and that it can syphon enrgy from, after already using it once to destroy the New Republic;
or
The First Order is run by idiots. They have a mobile planet/weapon that can destroy a solar system completely by depleting it's central sun, and don't use it. Instead, they fly to another random star, kill THAT system, and then take a shot at a target (certainly) lightyears away.
Hmmm
Posted on 4/21/16 at 1:22 am to Rou Leed
I enjoyed it a lot the second time round.
You will get a lot of people bitching in this thread about a science fiction movie not being realistic enough.
I dont see whats so hard about just kicking back and enjoying the movie. Suspend belief for a couple of hours.
You will get a lot of people bitching in this thread about a science fiction movie not being realistic enough.
I dont see whats so hard about just kicking back and enjoying the movie. Suspend belief for a couple of hours.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:22 am to Rou Leed
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He seemed unable to prevent the dark side from resurfacing and seemed extremely weak, which is not really the way I wanted to see the character after all these years.
The prophecy was that the force would be balanced not that the dark side would be eradicated.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 7:54 am to Rou Leed
I saw it 4 times in theaters and probably watched it 3 times now at home. I guess you can say I really like it a lot.. It had the same feel of the originals.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 8:52 am to Scoob
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And by then, X-Wings could go into hyperspace, something implied they couldn't do at first (the comments that the Tie fighter near Alderaan was "too small" to be there alone, that it must have been part of a convoy or something).
The reason why there looked like there were always a 50 tie fighters for every x wing was because Tie Fighters were cheaply made. No shields and no hyperdrive. They were basically kamikaze fighters.
I believe in TFA, the Tie Fighters have hyperdrives but it still looks like the first order is easily able to manufacture tons of them. Guess hyperdrives got cheaper over the years.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:14 am to BulldogXero
*pulls out nerd hat*
After playing Tie Fighter (pc game in the 90's) Regular tie fighters and tie bombers didn't have hyperdrives. Tie advanced do which are similar to what Vader flies in episode 1. They eventually had Tie Defenders & Tie Missleboats which both had hyperdrives too, but have never been shown in a movie.
Also, I was very disappointed in Force Awakens, Unoriginal, full of plot holes & bad acting. There was so much they could have taken from the extended universe. Just the heir to the empire/Admiral Thrawn series would have been awesome. They could have modified it to fit the time period/ages of old actors etc. They could have tried to something original and take the Star Wars story in a different direction or even expand it some. Instead we got a rehashed, lazy movie.
After playing Tie Fighter (pc game in the 90's) Regular tie fighters and tie bombers didn't have hyperdrives. Tie advanced do which are similar to what Vader flies in episode 1. They eventually had Tie Defenders & Tie Missleboats which both had hyperdrives too, but have never been shown in a movie.
Also, I was very disappointed in Force Awakens, Unoriginal, full of plot holes & bad acting. There was so much they could have taken from the extended universe. Just the heir to the empire/Admiral Thrawn series would have been awesome. They could have modified it to fit the time period/ages of old actors etc. They could have tried to something original and take the Star Wars story in a different direction or even expand it some. Instead we got a rehashed, lazy movie.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:23 am to Rou Leed
Movie gets worse every time I watch it. Seeing yet another Deathstar, more inept storm troopers, emo Darth Vader and Hobo Skywalker just makes it irritating to watch.
I understand why they basically remade ANH and included the old-time favorites. I appreciated seeing them on the screen, but the reality is it would have been better as a total reboot following Luke through his journey. The only thing of substance in it IMO was Rey. I do want to see her journey, just don't care about any of the others.
I understand why they basically remade ANH and included the old-time favorites. I appreciated seeing them on the screen, but the reality is it would have been better as a total reboot following Luke through his journey. The only thing of substance in it IMO was Rey. I do want to see her journey, just don't care about any of the others.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:27 am to Scoob
Interesting note. In the novelization of the film, Starkiller Base did not get energy from suns. It used dark matter. It did not need to travel.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 5:43 pm to Antonio Moss
I liked Finn initially but now he is wearing thin on me. He's too over the top. He really should have died at the end. Aiding Rey on her path and getting her to Luke should have completed his arc.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 6:58 pm to Bamadiver
quote:That would have been far better. I'm going to assume the blast was through some sort of hyperspace portal, or other faster-than-light means. Firing a laser (light speed) at a target hundreds, maybe thousands of light-years away just doesn't bring a sense of urgency.
Interesting note. In the novelization of the film, Starkiller Base did not get energy from suns. It used dark matter. It did not need to travel.
General, Starkiller Base has just fired at us.
When will it hit?
Approximately 230 years from now.
Ok, I guess we may as well evacuate. Maybe after I have kids or something.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 8:51 pm to Rou Leed
hamill would have completely overshadowed all of the new cast. This is one of the best choices they made
Posted on 4/21/16 at 9:12 pm to Rou Leed
quote:
Still kinda unhappy about how Luke was presented.
As a fan I agree but from the writer's perspective you're trying to get the audience to focus on and care about these new characters. Luke would suck all the air out of the room.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:12 pm to Rou Leed
Not a fan.
It was just A New Hope warmed over, so they could show a strong female and black leads. It went big because fans were hungry for more.
And the biggest load of hooey is when you look at the details. No way Finn or Rey withstand Kylo if you go by established SW logic. Kylo is shown as being more powerful than Vader, yet is stopped by a trooper stooge. Vader would have choked his life force out in a minute. Yet Kylo couldnt, even after he had just killed his own father. Weak. Oh, so very weak
And a second Death Star.
And killing off Han. Are you kidding me? I stopped caring right there. The rest was unwatchable
It was just A New Hope warmed over, so they could show a strong female and black leads. It went big because fans were hungry for more.
And the biggest load of hooey is when you look at the details. No way Finn or Rey withstand Kylo if you go by established SW logic. Kylo is shown as being more powerful than Vader, yet is stopped by a trooper stooge. Vader would have choked his life force out in a minute. Yet Kylo couldnt, even after he had just killed his own father. Weak. Oh, so very weak
And a second Death Star.
And killing off Han. Are you kidding me? I stopped caring right there. The rest was unwatchable
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:23 pm to RobbBobb
Sometimes I hate the Internet it has turned everyone into this:
Star Wars TFA was a great reboot of the franchise. It was very fun. It got alot of things right that the prequels got wrong, It got everyone excited about Star Wars again, it laid a great foundation for the next movie, etc....
Yall are ridiculous. Star Wars is awesome.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:34 pm to Breesus
Nailed it. Rey is a top 5 character in the universe now. She is someone you care about. Kylo Ren is probably the most nuanced character ever created in star wars...I'm dying for 8.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 10:51 pm to Tiger Ryno
I have to clarify, I don't HATE TFA. It's a lot more fun than the prequels were, and we do get enough continuity and bridging that future films will still be Star Wars, regardless of the cast.
It's just sloppy in a lot of areas, parts you'd want to explore in repeated viewings. As you explore the details, you run more and more into the "it's just a visually great experience, don't think too much about it" problems.
This movie left me refreshed with a taste, and wanting to see more.
The original left me amazed and satisfied, and wanting to experience more of the same. There's a big difference in that.
It's just sloppy in a lot of areas, parts you'd want to explore in repeated viewings. As you explore the details, you run more and more into the "it's just a visually great experience, don't think too much about it" problems.
This movie left me refreshed with a taste, and wanting to see more.
The original left me amazed and satisfied, and wanting to experience more of the same. There's a big difference in that.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:33 pm to dallastiger55
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Can we all agree these were miles better than the prequels?
No because Revenge of the Sith was actually a very good movie.
Posted on 4/21/16 at 11:40 pm to LanierSpots
quote:
I was a Star Wars Kid from the beginning
Ever dabble in golf ball retriever combat?
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