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re: Fantastic Four Review Thread 86% RT Score 111 Reviews
Posted on 7/28/25 at 3:40 pm to Civildawg
Posted on 7/28/25 at 3:40 pm to Civildawg
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Someone school me on the backstory of Galactus and his "hunger".
Galactus is the last survivor of the previous universe. He was a scientist (named Galan, of the planet Taa) who designed a craft he hoped could survive the Big Bang as his universe died and the new one began. The intense energies of the collapse and rebirth changed him into a cosmic-level entity who has incredible powers. He replenishes his life force by absorbing the energies of life-containing planets, even if the life is most primordial form. It's not much different from a human not eating for a few weeks, except that as he weakens from lack of "food" his mind isn't dulled. Instead, it becomes more focused on finding sustenance (thus, "the hunger").
In the Marvel cosmology, his existence is tied to being a central part of the balance between creation and destruction. Without Galactus, the universe risks overpopulation or stagnation, as he culls planets to prevent unchecked growth of civilizations or resources. As such, he's considered an essential mechanism. In some stories (which aren't canon for the primary Marvel universe, but interesting takes nonetheless), it’s suggested that some planets he targets harbor dangers (like Celestials’ seeds or cosmic anomalies) that could destabilize reality if left unchecked. By consuming these worlds, he inadvertently protects the broader cosmos.
He's been doing this since some point after this universe was born, when the first worlds to host life began emerging and he's long beyond tired of it.
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Also, what does the baby Franklin become in the comics?
Oy vey.
First off, the movie's portrayal of Galactus wanting Franklin to take his place is cobbled together from a few different stories. As such, how they will continue to play it out cinematically is anyone's guess.
In what's considered the "current" timeframe in Marvel comics, he's probably somewhere between 11-13 years old and has cosmic-level potential. Because the future is fluid, he's had many different "future versions" and even aged himself up and then back to a child in the "main" timeline. He's had varying levels of reality-altering power, and those (and their strength levels) are portrayed based on the writer's need (I hate that this is the answer, but it is), even going so far as to make Galactus his herald in one far-future timeline. If you really want to generalize him, he's the personification of yet-unreached human potential in the Marvel comics universe.
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Posted on 7/28/25 at 4:09 pm to CP3forMVP
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Anyone remember this? Now that the movie is out, I have no clue who this could have been:
Erik from New Rockstars made a video back then suspecting that it could be Ioan Gruffudd in a Council of Reeds type of post credit scene.
Well that was wrong
Posted on 7/28/25 at 7:57 pm to dawgfan24348
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MCU might just have two solid back to back movies this year
Too bad you didn't buy more tickets, cause that's what Marvel cares about.
Anyway I liked it, glad it wasn't so quippy.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:05 am to Philzilla
Here’s an article that kind of talks about the differences between F4 and Superman. Kind of like what I was talking about with the “wow” factor. F4 being more predictable and safe. Which is typical for a set up Marvel movie. But it’s why it will lose to Superman. Superman is action packed from beginning to end. Risky and unpredictable. You know Superman is going to win but don’t always know how. Superman doesn’t even win every time. Stuff like that. There’s conflict everywhere. Including between each other. Between Superman and Louis even. Superman wasn’t even sent here to be good. I even brought up how F4 could have brought in some alternate motives for not giving the baby up to ad some other aspects of conflict between the F4. But maybe that’s just not what the F4 are. So I understand that. But the general public who only knows movies, it may not be as exciting. Again, good solid movie. But basic.
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Everything seems to come incredibly easily to Marvel's first family. Reed happens to have already been working on the technology they need to win the day. Johnny translates and learns a whole alien language in a couple of months (I assume? The timeline of events is also pretty slippery). Sue is exactly powerful enough for whatever needs to happen at the time.
Superman manages a more engaging character dynamic in its first three minutes than Fantastic Four manages in its entire run-time, and only one of the characters involved can speak.
Krypto's lack of obedience in the opening sets up that this movie will have the exact opposite to FF's problem, where everything comes too easy: in Superman, being the most powerful metahuman in the world doesn't stop things being really damn hard.
Where Fantastic Four travels inexorably from plot point to plot point on rails, Superman swings between surprises. Lex has a pocket universe! Superman and Lois have a tense journalistic sparring! Now there's a kaiju! This one dude turns into kryptonite!
Why are all these things happening? Because it's a comic book movie, partly, and this is like flicking through a comics run where different issues have vastly different stuff going on. But it's partly also because this movie has a lot on its mind.
Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:31 am to Bard
i realize they had to change the story up to evolve the FF story, but i wish (even though it would have been spoilers) it had followed the interaction between Reed, Galactus and the Watcher of the original story.
that was a very big event and resulted in the Watcher's exile from his race.
also i love love LOVED the 'negative zone' storyline in the comics starting with annihilus and ending with the High Evolutionary/Galactus battle on the alternate Earth.
there's your action.
that was a very big event and resulted in the Watcher's exile from his race.
also i love love LOVED the 'negative zone' storyline in the comics starting with annihilus and ending with the High Evolutionary/Galactus battle on the alternate Earth.
there's your action.
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:28 pm to Bard
I just wanted to come on here and say I thought this movie was fantastic, then I read a post like this from someone who knows waaaayyyyy more than I do on this subject, .
Appreciate the post, Bard. Helps casual watchers get a better understanding.
. Appreciate the post, Bard. Helps casual watchers get a better understanding.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 12:05 am to CollegeFBRules
Posted on 7/30/25 at 12:36 am to The Pirate King
the next celebrity that uses the word Fascist needs to be deported.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:06 am to The Pirate King
Ok, cousin. Ok.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 10:38 am to abellsujr
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Everything seems to come incredibly easily to Marvel's first family. Reed happens to have already been working on the technology they need to win the day. Johnny translates and learns a whole alien language in a couple of months (I assume? The timeline of events is also pretty slippery). Sue is exactly powerful enough for whatever needs to happen at the time.
Superman manages a more engaging character dynamic in its first three minutes than Fantastic Four manages in its entire run-time, and only one of the characters involved can speak.
Krypto's lack of obedience in the opening sets up that this movie will have the exact opposite to FF's problem, where everything comes too easy: in Superman, being the most powerful metahuman in the world doesn't stop things being really damn hard.
Where Fantastic Four travels inexorably from plot point to plot point on rails, Superman swings between surprises. Lex has a pocket universe! Superman and Lois have a tense journalistic sparring! Now there's a kaiju! This one dude turns into kryptonite!
Why are all these things happening? Because it's a comic book movie, partly, and this is like flicking through a comics run where different issues have vastly different stuff going on. But it's partly also because this movie has a lot on its mind.
This is all pretty spot on, especially of how in F4 they seemed to always have the answer for everything. I just saw F4 last night, and I came out thinking it was a better movie than Superman but not as much fun or engaging. Between the two I actually prefer SM.
Johnny translating an alien language was absurd, and it was the worst part of this movie. Sue was OP.
My main issue with F4 was the cast. They were incredibly bland, with the exception of Sue. She was very good in that role. Pedro was as flat and boring as one could get playing what should be an engaging Reed, Thing was never angry (but the sad, moping scenes were good), and Johnny was way too tame personality wise. I did think the Thing and Torch interactions throughout the movie were great. Man, if we could put the '05 cast in this movie, it would shine! They understood these characters better and nailed those roles
This movie was so well directed though it succeeded despite the uninspiring performances of the main cast. Galactus was awesome, and Lady Surfer was good even though it should've been Norrin Radd. I did find the final battle a bit underwhelming and anticlimatic. Nobody was ever in danger, and they handled one of the most powerful beings in all of the universes as if he were a speedbump. It was a poorly designed conflict that undermined the entire setup of the movie.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 10:43 am to Bard
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In what's considered the "current" timeframe in Marvel comics
I'm surprised you continue reading modern comics. I tapped out around 2010 when storylines jumped many sharks and the SJW mindset infected the industry. You're much more tolerant than me
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has cosmic-level potential.
This is one of the main problems with comics post 2000. They had to keep creating ultra-powerful characters with no flaws in order to outdo the ones they created previously. It's a bad trap they fell into, and it creates uninteresting storytelling.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:09 am to Midget Death Squad
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Johnny translating an alien language was absurd, and it was the worst part of this movie
The worst part of the movie was the cringey af speech that Sue gave to the mob/rioters outside of their building and it working.
I thought about walking out it was so bad.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:14 am to Cockopotamus
I think this movie is better than the old Fantastic Four movie, but that movie is sitting at like an 8% on RT. There is no way this movie is 75-80 points better than the older one
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 11:15 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:18 am to Cockopotamus
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The worst part of the movie was the cringey af speech that Sue gave to the mob/rioters outside of their building and it working.
Yeah, people so radicalized that they are going to come to what is essentially someone's house to demand they give up their baby in order to save the world are definitely just going to go home if you give them a speech
The contrast between this movie having the F4 as the 'saviors of the world' and biblical themes where throughout the Bible people are asked to give up their children for far less than the chance to save the world (and many of them do it) is interesting. And obviously God does give up his son to save the world.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 11:19 am
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:24 am to VolSquatch
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‘THE FANTASTIC FOUR’ star Ebon Moss-Bachrach when asked what he would do if he had The Thing’s powers:
“There’s a handful of fascists that I would just throw into outer space”
Marvel in a nutshell
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:26 am to Cockopotamus
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The worst part of the movie was the cringey af speech that Sue gave to the mob/rioters outside of their building and it working.
Yeah that was pretty lame as well. yikes
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:27 am to VolSquatch
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I think this movie is better than the old Fantastic Four movie
Yes, this is a better movie, but I still prefer the Rise of the Silver Surfer to this. It's an inferior movie in terms of quality and direction, but it's still way more fun than this one with more comic accurate characters.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 12:21 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:All they had to do to fix this issue was explore other motives for not giving the baby up. Yes you still have people who want them to give it up, but at least there’s some questioning of it. Would you trust Thanos if he wanted to make a deal with you? frick no. But they wanted to focus on family. Ok.
The worst part of the movie was the cringey af speech that Sue gave to the mob/rioters outside of their building and it working.
Bring in some kind of interesting conflict. Instead they went with fluff. Maybe that’s just the world they live in, but it makes it kind of boring.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 7/30/25 at 12:24 pm to Midget Death Squad
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I'm surprised you continue reading modern comics. I tapped out around 2010 when storylines jumped many sharks and the SJW mindset infected the industry. You're much more tolerant than me
lol! I stopped buying comics regularly in the mid-late 90s. Since then I've either bought storylines put together in a graphic novel or omnibus, or read some through one of the free online comic sites (with my VPN on and A/V set to max). The last FF stuff I read was after the Marvel universes collapsed together (or something like that, was never totally sure about what happened) and the extended FF was using Franklin to create whole fricking universes (to replace those which had been destroyed by whatever) by using up some power he absorbed.
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This is one of the main problems with comics post 2000. They had to keep creating ultra-powerful characters with no flaws in order to outdo the ones they created previously. It's a bad trap they fell into, and it creates uninteresting storytelling.
100%. The power-creep, the bastardization of characters by creating "families" or "universes" which are all just some form of derivative of the main character and the age-locking of most characters at their prime selling age (instead of letting them age out then get replaced by new characters) have watered DC and Marvel down to the point of rarely being good stories about their characters having to get through more down-to-earth issues and either some multiversal omnipotent danger (because endangering a mere single universe is no longer enough) or provide some far-left social lecture.
It's no coincidence that the best-performing Marvel movies have pulled almost exclusively from the pre-2000 stories and pre-2000 characters (and then remained true to those stories and characters, unlike something like Kraven for example).
Posted on 7/30/25 at 1:13 pm to abellsujr
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Bring in some kind of interesting conflict. Instead they went with fluff. Maybe that’s just the world they live in, but it makes it kind of boring.
You repeating the same bad take is getting pretty boring too.
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