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Explain the whole Conan-Leno feud to me
Posted on 1/14/10 at 7:56 am
Posted on 1/14/10 at 7:56 am
I'm out of the loop. I like Conan I think he's hilarious. Is he going off air? new network? I could care less if I never saw Leno or Letterman on air again. Someone explain what's going on to me please.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 7:59 am to J Murdah
Leno @ 10:30 didn't work, hes moving to 11:30 for half an hour then Conan @ 12:05, I dont think it has so much to do with Leno v Conan so much as Leno can do whatever he wants and he was getting rocked @ 10:30 so hes moving back to his old time slot with his new format.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 8:00 am to J Murdah
It's more Conan-NBC. NBC is just fricking up and kinda fricking him over.
Find his monologue from Tuesday night online. He kinda goes into it. Also, check the threads on the movie board about it.
He wrote a letter in the NY Times explaining things as well.
Find his monologue from Tuesday night online. He kinda goes into it. Also, check the threads on the movie board about it.
He wrote a letter in the NY Times explaining things as well.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 8:01 am to chief420
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his new format.
i dont see what is so new about it myself.
conan is getting shafted. good for him for telling NBC FU. he will be picked up
Posted on 1/14/10 at 8:02 am to CocomoLSU
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check the threads on the movie board about it.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 8:04 am to CocomoLSU
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NBC is just fricking up and IS fricking him over.
Old people want Leno back
Conan will have a show, lets see on which network.
The Dennis Miller option is he can take off a couple of years and make 12 mil a year.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 8:15 am to J Murdah
Screw job #1:
Conan has had other offers but has been waiting patiently for Leno to retire for several years so he could take over his dream job (Tonight Show). Instead of Leno retiring and Conan getting the spotlight, they created something new and frick Conan by watering down late night talk shows. Conan was pissed about it but kept his mouth shut.
Screw job#2:
Leno's ratings has sucked and now NBC wants to move him away from primetime and bump Conan's "tonight show" to 12:05am. Conan is even more pissed and hasn't kept his mouth shut this time.
also... Conan isn't too happy that he moved his entire show (staff & family) to L.A. from new York to take over the Tonight Show. Now 7 months in... NBC is wanting him out.
Conan has had other offers but has been waiting patiently for Leno to retire for several years so he could take over his dream job (Tonight Show). Instead of Leno retiring and Conan getting the spotlight, they created something new and frick Conan by watering down late night talk shows. Conan was pissed about it but kept his mouth shut.
Screw job#2:
Leno's ratings has sucked and now NBC wants to move him away from primetime and bump Conan's "tonight show" to 12:05am. Conan is even more pissed and hasn't kept his mouth shut this time.
also... Conan isn't too happy that he moved his entire show (staff & family) to L.A. from new York to take over the Tonight Show. Now 7 months in... NBC is wanting him out.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:38 am to cobrew
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Screw job #1:
Conan has had other offers but has been waiting patiently for Leno to retire for several years so he could take over his dream job (Tonight Show). Instead of Leno retiring and Conan getting the spotlight, they created something new and frick Conan by watering down late night talk shows. Conan was pissed about it but kept his mouth shut.
About 6 years ago Conan forced NBC to put an end date on Leno. When the end date was closing in, Leno really didn't want to retire and would have gone to ABC to create a competing late night show. NBC didn't want this and that's when they came up with the prime time show idea.
This is not Leno's fault. He has every right to work. NBC made some horrible decisions. They should have either let Conan or Leno go and let them compete. Now both brands are tarnished.
Regardless, Conan is starting to sound like a whiney little kid. Just because it's his dream job doesn't mean everyone should just roll over and kiss his arse and give him exactly what he wants.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:43 am to Indiana Tiger
NBC = Packers
Leno = Favre
O'Brien = Rodgers
Expect this time the old man wins.
Leno = Favre
O'Brien = Rodgers
Expect this time the old man wins.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:48 am to Indiana Tiger
I would guess that Leno had some input in the decision to do the 10pm show. He's not innocent in this debacle.
Leno knew better than anyone that a prime time Tonight Show would give him first shot at guests and jokes. Didn't matter if the Leno show succeeded or failed. Either way, it would screw over Conan's Tonight Show.
Leno knew better than anyone that a prime time Tonight Show would give him first shot at guests and jokes. Didn't matter if the Leno show succeeded or failed. Either way, it would screw over Conan's Tonight Show.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:55 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I would guess that Leno had some input in the decision to do the 10pm show. He's not innocent in this debacle.
Everyone (including Conan) has dirty hands in this. However, NBC is the decider and asset owner here and has ultimate responsibility. Conan had some strikes against him, no doubt, but no part of his show was consistently good and that's on him.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 9:56 am to Indiana Tiger
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Indiana Tiger
You sound like a giant douche bag IMO
Posted on 1/14/10 at 10:04 am to Indiana Tiger
summary: the majority of America doesnt think Conan is funny
Posted on 1/14/10 at 10:06 am to Indiana Tiger
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but no part of his show was consistently good and that's on him.
so NBC limiting what he can do is his fault?
Posted on 1/14/10 at 10:14 am to The Godfather
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so NBC limiting what he can do is his fault?
If you can't do the job with the imposed constraints that everyone else lived with successfully, then go somewhere else.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 10:15 am to Indiana Tiger
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I'm so hurt...
You also fail to demonstrate a knowledge of the late night television. NBC has handled every decision horribly since Carson decided to retire. Your assertion that O'Brien somehow held ultimate sway over NBC is not well founded. The execs at NBC were trying to have it both ways.
And O'Brien is not particularly "whiny". He relied, perhaps foolishly, on NBC to give his show a fair shot. He is justifiably upset that he and his staff made a substantial personal investment in order to get the gig, and now 7 months later the whole thing is about to go into the crapper. Seven months is not enough time to judge whether the show will find its audience and produce ratings.
Really, it comes down to the suits once again flip flopping and caving to the whines of a substantial number of affiliates regarding Leno's primtime debacle. But that should be Leno's problem, not O'Brien's. Leno is a safe, middle of the road choice that, frankly, while attracting a fairly reliable audience, will ultimately be an anachronism if not so already.
Posted on 1/14/10 at 10:16 am to Indiana Tiger
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If you can't do the job with the imposed constraints that everyone else lived with successfully
Jay Leno's ratings SUCKED when he took over, difference is, he was given time to get them going. You have to give the guy time to pull in the people, he is playing to different audience that he was on his other show
Posted on 1/14/10 at 10:17 am to Fewer Kilometers
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Leno knew better than anyone that a prime time Tonight Show would give him first shot at guests and jokes. Didn't matter if the Leno show succeeded or failed. Either way, it would screw over Conan's Tonight Show.
This. Leno is very, very shrewd and manipulative. He is not totally the nice guy that some seem to think.
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