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re: Empire Strikes Back Rewatch Tonight 10 Est, 9 C

Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:19 pm to
Yeah, it's kinda comical in this movie.
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:37 pm to
Why didn't the Falcon pick up Slave 1 on its sensors when it was behind them.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:45 pm to
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Why doesn't yoda or r2d2 recognize each other?



thats a good question


i also stated in a separate threat yesterday, why were all the rebels just chilling in the snow talking and picking up shite and vador and all the stormtroopers were inside just hundreds of yards away
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:52 pm to
Yeah, I questioned that earlier in this thread. They must not be close at all but we don't know. There has to be some technological shite we don't know that fills it in
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:54 pm to
After Luke jumped Vader just have the "well frick" expression
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 10:57 pm to
Why does Han have to pay Jabba back in person. Why can't he just wire him the money and call it a day. Or, since he's so valuable to the Rebellion, why don't they go ahead and pay Jabba to protect a valuable employee?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/13/15 at 11:04 pm to
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Why does Han have to pay Jabba back in person. Why can't he just wire him the money and call it a day. Or, since he's so valuable to the Rebellion, why don't they go ahead and pay Jabba to protect a valuable employee?



Or why does busting Han out in Return of the Jedi have to do with 3 of them being directly captured in person, instead of the Rebellion showing right up to Jabba's palace, first offering his weight in gold for Han, and if that fails, just kill them all like they eventually did?
Posted by BobBarker
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:20 am to
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Or why does busting Han out in Return of the Jedi have to do with 3 of them being directly captured in person, instead of the Rebellion showing right up to Jabba's palace, first offering his weight in gold for Han, and if that fails, just kill them all like they eventually did?


I'm sure a Rebel army showing up on a planet controlled by the Empire then probably fighting a large battle against the most powerful gangster in the galaxy would've been a great plan. What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:08 am to
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I'm sure a Rebel army showing up on a planet controlled by the Empire then probably fighting a large battle against the most powerful gangster in the galaxy would've been a great plan. What could possibly go wrong?


Well, it's technically controlled by the Hutts, but this brings up another point: why wasn't the Empire at Tattooine? Once Luke escaped, if I was Vader (shortly after strangling Admiral Piett), I'd set course for Tattooine and wait for Luke to show up. He knows that he will go after Han and he knows they know where he is. So just camp out there for a few weeks or months in order for Luke to arrive, and once he's there, bust up in Jabba's palace and take Luke. Plus this would have helped tie the narrative together on what goes on for the rest of the film. Regardless if the Alliance directly shows up or not, the Empire should have been there waiting for Luke.
This post was edited on 12/14/15 at 10:29 am
Posted by PJinAtl
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 10:40 am to
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Which begs the question of why nobody told Luke earlier? I'd imagine Luke would be pissed if he found out the girl he just banged was his sister
Isn't that answered in Jedi? They were afraid if Vader knew of either child he would hunt them down. Plus, Luke's thoughts betray him/her in the throne room dual - Vader senses Luke's feelings for his sister...

What I have never understood is that if Leia was a Skywalker and had any amount of Force consciousness (and that is implied when Luke can contact her telepathically, as well as Yoda's response to Kenobi when Luke leaves to go to Bespin), why did Vader not pick up on this when he had her captive on Death Star I?

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Why doesn't Yoda or r2d2 recognize each other?
At the end of Ep III, doesn't Bail Organa say to have to Droid's memories erased? For all 3P0 and R2 know, they began their careers with Captain Antillies or otherwise in the service of the Allderan leadership.

Yoda may have recognized R2 and did not say anything, or as we see in scene in TPM, the R2 astromech droids all look alike [In ANH that was really an R5 unit, not an R2 unit], so he may have just thought it was an R2 unit, not "the" R2 unit.
Posted by Mavtiger
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:29 am to
Vader may have tried to park on Tattooine, but but the Emperor probably had him tasked to the Second Death Star.
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 11:39 am to
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Why does Han have to pay Jabba back in person. Why can't he just wire him the money and call it a day. Or, since he's so valuable to the Rebellion, why don't they go ahead and pay Jabba to protect a valuable employee

We are talking about a govt (I would imagine) entity here. They aint paying for personal debt shite.

I didn't watch with yall, but on a recent rewatch I started wondering why was everybody such a dick to Han about paying off his debts leading up to this? Reekan is about the only one that acts reasonable about it. I know Leia loves him and all, but if she would have let him go when he wanted to, the whole first act of RotJ could have been avoided.

The man just helped blow up the Death Star, let him take care of his business.
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:01 pm to
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Why does Han have to pay Jabba back in person. Why can't he just wire him the money and call it a day. Or, since he's so valuable to the Rebellion, why don't they go ahead and pay Jabba to protect a valuable employee?

I doubt Han ever had any intention to pay Jabba back. He was using it as an excuse to threaten Leia he was leaving.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:26 pm to
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if I was Vader (shortly after strangling Admiral Piett), I'd set course for Tattooine and wait for Luke to show up. He knows that he will go after Han and he knows they know where he is. So just camp out there for a few weeks or months in order for Luke to arrive, and once he's there, bust up in Jabba's palace and take Luke.


As you see later in ROTJ, Luke is very force conscious of Vader and vice/versa (they feel each other's presence as the shuttle is trying to land on Endor, and Luke feels Vader's presence during the Ewok dinner). If Vader was just camping out on Tattooine, Luke would know it.

Also, when the Emperor arrives on the 2nd Death Star, Vader tells him that it is on schedule, then the Emperor says, "I sense you wish to continue your search for young Skywalker." Then he tells Vader to have patience...that Luke will seek him out. Vader was operating under the Emperor's orders.

So, all of what you posted is easily explained away by the dialogue in the film. There are some issues with ROTJ, but I wouldn't have changed the Jabba scene.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 12:39 pm to
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At the end of Ep III, doesn't Bail Organa say to have to Droid's memories erased? For all 3P0 and R2 know, they began their careers with Captain Antillies or otherwise in the service of the Allderan leadership.

I think it is only 3PO's memory that they wipe.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 1:29 pm to
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I think it is only 3PO's memory that they wipe.

I think he does say "protocol droid", not both droids.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 1:45 pm to
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I think he does say "protocol droid", not both droids.
Ah, ok. It has been a good while since I have watch Sith. In our rewatch schedule I won't get to it until Thursday or Friday.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 1:53 pm to
In A New Hope, R2 leaves right after he's bought by Uncle Owen because he's going off looking for Obi-Wan. R2 definitely remembered.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 1:57 pm to
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As you see later in ROTJ, Luke is very force conscious of Vader and vice/versa (they feel each other's presence as the shuttle is trying to land on Endor, and Luke feels Vader's presence during the Ewok dinner). If Vader was just camping out on Tattooine, Luke would know it.


Vader could still plan for this. He could place some Stormtroopers strategically around Tatooine and also contacted Boba Fett about alerting him when Luke shows up. Then Vader could be there immediately and bust up the barge scene. It was a big mistake not having Vader involved in the Jabba subplot.

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Also, when the Emperor arrives on the 2nd Death Star, Vader tells him that it is on schedule, then the Emperor says, "I sense you wish to continue your search for young Skywalker." Then he tells Vader to have patience...that Luke will seek him out. Vader was operating under the Emperor's orders.


The Emperor's orders are the only thing that can remotely convince me on why Vader was not involved in that scene. Maybe the Emperor didn't want Vader interfering with the Alliance thinking they could take out the new Death Star, but that's really all I can come up with.
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/14/15 at 3:09 pm to
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The Emperor's orders are the only thing that can remotely convince me on why Vader was not involved in that scene. Maybe the Emperor didn't want Vader interfering with the Alliance thinking they could take out the new Death Star, but that's really all I can come up with.


Kind of ruins the whole trap plan if they just scoop that group (Luke, Han, Leia) up on Tattooine
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