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re: Empire Strikes Back question(s)
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:13 am to GeauxTigerTM
Posted on 1/1/23 at 11:13 am to GeauxTigerTM
If Luke were on a cliff looking down at a raging river or some body of water, then I'd get it. But he's looking down an open abyss that's miles to the bottom. However high Cloud city is...
The audience sees that. Who among the audience is thinking "oh, he's got this"?.
I think it speaks more to Luke's unwavering determination to defeat Vader or die trying. Doing what ever is necessary to keep from turning to the darkside.
The audience sees that. Who among the audience is thinking "oh, he's got this"?.
I think it speaks more to Luke's unwavering determination to defeat Vader or die trying. Doing what ever is necessary to keep from turning to the darkside.
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Posted on 1/1/23 at 2:04 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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I think it speaks more to Luke's unwavering determination to defeat Vader or die trying. Doing what ever is necessary to keep from turning to the darkside.
Luke was very brave and eternally optimistic, which makes his TLJ portrayal that much worse.
Posted on 1/1/23 at 2:20 pm to CocomoLSU
It's Star Wars, no one ever dies from a fall. Palpatine fell into a reactor core. Maul fell into a pit after being cut in half. Mace Windu was exploded out of a window. Yoda fell down the senate chamber. Bona Fett fell into a sorlacc pit. Leia fell into the vacuum of space. I'm sure I'm forgetting plenty of examples, but Luke's is probably the least impressive of them all.
This post was edited on 1/1/23 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 1/1/23 at 2:25 pm to CocomoLSU
It ain’t that kind of movie kid
Posted on 1/1/23 at 4:43 pm to CocomoLSU
Sorry for getting into nerd trivia, but Empire was actually a sequel to a little-known prior film called "Star Wars: A New Hope." In it, a homeless old wizard who Luke barely knew had convinced him - in like a day - that it was better to die than to submit to the dark side of the force or take time to actually get to know his father.
So the scene in Empire makes a little more sense if you put it in context.
So the scene in Empire makes a little more sense if you put it in context.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 8:22 am to j1897
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Bruh
Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:43 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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The audience sees that. Who among the audience is thinking "oh, he's got this"?.
As a 9 year old watching it in the theater, it never once occurred to me that he was jumping to his death. Vader's reaction didn't indicate it, nor did the score.
Now, had there been a way to have cut away briefly to where you didn't literally immediately see him survive, maybe I'd have gotten that impression. Or had Vader lunged towards him to try and catch him from falling to his death. Even now, there's just never been that sense of "Oh shite!!!!" that you'd feel when someone is jumping to their death. Think back to seeing Black Widow jump off that cliff in End Game. You knew her arse was gonna hit the bottom.
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Knowing what we have NOW been shown of Jedi powers, Vader should have just levitated his arse up and dragged him to the Emperor.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 11:46 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Knowing what we have NOW been shown of Jedi powers, Vader should have just levitated his arse up and dragged him to the Emperor.
Maybe it was Vader who force powered Luke into the capture tube.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 12:05 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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Maybe it was Vader who force powered Luke into the capture tube.
I submit.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 12:33 am to CocomoLSU
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Was he trying to kill himself?
Frowned upon by Jedi Council
X-wing fighter parking privileges would have most certainly been taken away.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 9:21 am to CocomoLSU
He made a choice to not go with Vader. Whatever his fate was as a result of that he was ok with.
The special editions that Lucas made were horrible for many reasons and one of those was adding a scream to Luke as he fell. The scream made Luke seem weak. Eventually he removed it again. You don't scream if you intentionally jump.
The special editions that Lucas made were horrible for many reasons and one of those was adding a scream to Luke as he fell. The scream made Luke seem weak. Eventually he removed it again. You don't scream if you intentionally jump.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 11:58 am to SouthEasternKaiju
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The scene.
After watching the scene again, he looked down several times, and he appears to be making a game plan. When he looks back at Darth Vader, he's almost got a smirk on his face, like he's got a trick up his sleeve. IMO. So, I definitely don't think he was trying to kill himself. Him making it into the tube was his plan, I don't think he anticipated the tube to open up and dump him completely out the ship though and a little jedi good fortune he happened to get snagged by the antennae.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:00 pm to CocomoLSU
So I know this doesn't answer the main question, but I remember watching the making of Empire Strikes Back, and that wasn't what was said..
The cast & crew first learned of it when they saw the finished film. When we shot it, Vader's line was "You don't know the truth, Obi-Wan killed your father." Only Irvin Kershner, George Lucas & I knew what would be dubbed in later. Agony keeping that secret for over a year! ?? LINK
— Mark Hamill (@MarkHamill) May 24, 2020
So in the original filming, the cast and crew thought he was killing himself or escaping by falling after he heard that Kenobi killed his father.
Thought that was some neat trivia.
The cast & crew first learned of it when they saw the finished film. When we shot it, Vader's line was "You don't know the truth, Obi-Wan killed your father." Only Irvin Kershner, George Lucas & I knew what would be dubbed in later. Agony keeping that secret for over a year! ?? LINK
— Mark Hamill (@MarkHamill) May 24, 2020
So in the original filming, the cast and crew thought he was killing himself or escaping by falling after he heard that Kenobi killed his father.
Thought that was some neat trivia.
Posted on 1/3/23 at 1:19 pm to CocomoLSU
I always assumed that he was just doing the next best thing besides going with Vader so he chanced it making the jump and it worked out. I never assumed suicide.
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