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re: East of Eden (Netflix) Discussion *Now Streaming*

Posted on 10/5/26 at 8:59 am to
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 8:59 am to
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Spoiler**

I just couldn’t get over her detesting the brother who wanted to care for her and marry her…. Yet bangs his brother who hates her.


I mean this might as well be a spoilers thread. The whole season is out. I've watched two episodes so far, with that scene being the ending of EP2.

When I read the book and the scene played out almost identical in the book, that chapter stuck with me for a while. They even ended the episode with, I'm pretty sure the words that end the chapter. "That poor bastard."

You have to just recognize that she is the worst person to ever exist. There is no "I just couldn't get over this" thinking with Cathy. That is just who she is. The show started off with the line "There are monsters born into this world." You just have to keep that in mind.

She saw an opportunity in both of them. Also, it showed Charles' nature early on. He's got some evil in him. He is Cain to Adam's Abel. In the book he was much much closer to killing Adam when they were younger than the show portrayed them. After beating Adam, Charles went and grabbed and axe and was coming back to finish the job. Adam had to hide in the woods to avoid being killed. My heart was racing while reading that scene. Wish the show would have took it a little farther. But Cathy and Charles are a little more made for each other than Cathy and Adam.

With all the clips I saw before the show came out I was worried they were going to portray her in a semi positive light. Glad they aren't, as it should be

Really enjoying it so far. Hate that Sam Hamilton's character is going to have to be reduced for time though.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 9:07 am to
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Really enjoying it so far. Hate that Sam Hamilton's character is going to have to be reduced for time though.




while I agree they leave a lot a lot of his life away from the Trasks and his interactions with kids and Liza, they still let you know the good man that he is.

While the conversations with Samuel and Lee are diminished, they were still very powerful. My wife was tearing up at Lee talking about why he keeps up the pidgin.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 9:08 am to
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Doesn't the candy scene imply that Cathy was sexually abused as a little girl?

I've only seen the first two episodes, but now I'm going to have this question nagging at me for the rest of the series. If Cathy's evil isn't innate, then why would Caleb be worried that he's inherited her "bad blood"? If Cathy became the way she is because of what happened to her, what exactly is Cal afraid he's inherited from her?


That's how I took it and looking it up the showrunner confirms it. So instead of falsely accusing two boys of rape at age 10 she is actually assaulted at age 5 in the show.

So that is pretty much where the "sympathy" angle that they talked about before the release comes in I'm assuming. But Like I say, I'm only two epsidoes in.
Posted by Ohana
Member since Aug 2026
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 1:41 pm to
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completely unrelated, but Florence Pugh is the most unattractive naked person in a very attractive person's body.



her body was like i imagined. A little short chubby girl.
Posted by Veritas
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:40 pm to
Show was really well done
Posted by Chorizo chang
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 5:47 pm to
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Florence Pugh is the most unattractive naked person in a very attractive person's body.


Is she a very attractive person though?

I mean she’s ok but I always see her like a Temu elizabeth olson
Posted by Veritas
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:05 pm to
Also Hoon Lee is an amazing actor. He has an incredible ability to have the viewer hang on to every word he is saying and pay attention.

Posted by Veritas
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:05 pm to
It's the eyes. She knows how to use them.
Posted by Veritas
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 6:08 pm to
Florence Pugh is going to make a great Annie Wilkes for the Misery remake in 20-30 years.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 9:48 pm to
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her body was like i imagined. A little short chubby girl.


I know it is but in this and Oppenheimer I’m just surprised because I do find her to be attractive and both times when she’s naked it’s more ewww.
Posted by moock blackjack
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 10:39 pm to
She had ugly titties
Posted by VoodooGlowSkull
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 10:47 pm to
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ugly titties


No such thing. Some are better than others though.
Posted by RohanGonzales
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Posted on 10/5/26 at 10:58 pm to
Wait, that girl doesn't look black.
Posted by Bronco11
Member since Jul 2022
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 1:58 am to
It's one of my favorite books. Not the best ever in America, that belongs to Blood Meridian.

I got into a nasty habit of calling crazy women Cathy's when I was in my 20s. Had girls asking to explain why I called them that. Didn't go well. Ha
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 5:05 am to
Every time this show is mentioned I think of Exit to Eden with Rosie O'Donnell and Dan Akroyd.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
I'm your huckleberry
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 9:06 am to
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Not the best ever in America, that belongs to Blood Meridian.


I really like McCarthy and liked Blood meridian but I liked The Road and No Country significantly better.

Three years ago I probably would have died on a hill that either Huck Finn or To Kill a Mockingbird was the greatest American novel ever. But then i read East of Eden. I can maybe think of one or two books ever that stuck with me like East of Eden did. Like weeks later I would be reading some other book and be thinking about East of Eden.
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 9:07 am
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 9:31 am to
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You have to just recognize that she is the worst person to ever exist. There is no "I just couldn't get over this" thinking with Cathy.


Precisely. You have to understand that she knows she is bad but doesn't care


quote:

They give Cathy past trauma as a small basis for how she is but nobody excuses her for it



It is a central theme that you as the person make the choice to do something even if your parents or past says you will do otherwise
This post was edited on 10/6/26 at 9:36 am
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 9:35 am to
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Every time this show is mentioned I think of Exit to Eden with Rosie O'Donnell and Dan Akroyd.


Pretty sure most of the planet thinks of Dana Delaney but you fly that freak flag.
Posted by 3nOut
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Jan 2013
32888 posts
Posted on 10/6/26 at 9:54 am to
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It's one of my favorite books. Not the best ever in America, that belongs to Blood Meridian.



Ironically, I'm reading Blood Meridian and East of Eden simultaneously and EoE is much more enjoyable and sticks with me more. Blood Meridian is brutal to get through with the way McCarthy does dialogue.

I'd think that I naturally gravitate towards BM more, but it's been a slog.

I will say that McCarthy's descriptions of the southwest from chapters 3-5 are mesmerizing and some of the best things I've ever read.

I just finished the chapter in EoE where Samuel's family decides to retire him and that was one of the most heartwarming chapters of literature I've ever read.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/6/26 at 10:24 am to
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That's how I took it and looking it up the showrunner confirms it. So instead of falsely accusing two boys of rape at age 10 she is actually assaulted at age 5 in the show.

So that is pretty much where the "sympathy" angle that they talked about before the release comes in I'm assuming. But Like I say, I'm only two epsidoes in.


In the novel, Steinbeck basically states that Cathy was born bad. She was essentially born without a conscience, like a bad seed. She was an amoral sociopath from the get go.

The series still states that she was a monster, but that the abuse she suffered as a child helped mold her into what she later became. The show never excused her horrible behavior, but it provided a catalyst for it.
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