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re: Dune: Part 2 (96% RT) SPOILERS pg 3
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:39 am to tylerdurden24
Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:39 am to tylerdurden24
Saw it Saturday night. Hot damn that was a fun ride. The best theatre experience since... Dune part 1. The first time Paul jumped on the worm I felt like I was riding a big arse worm too 
I feel bad for people who wait to it hits streaming to watch this. This is a must watch in theatres, preferably on the biggest, loudest screen possible. I'll be seeing it again in theatres.
It delivered on every aspect for me. It went away from the source a bit more than pt 1 but for the most part it was in a good way.
Only had a few complaints, and they're pretty minor. One was CHani's attitude towards Paul when he started fulfilling prophecy/when she started not supporting him. Mainly didn't like it because it was different from the book but I get why they did it. Another was the final scene. Thought it could have ended on a better scene or one that was more complete. Didn't like that it felt more like a cliffhanger than a final scene. I get that there is supposed to be Dune Messiah but it would have been nice to close off the first books story line on a different note than "ok let's see what Chani does next".
I feel bad for people who wait to it hits streaming to watch this. This is a must watch in theatres, preferably on the biggest, loudest screen possible. I'll be seeing it again in theatres. It delivered on every aspect for me. It went away from the source a bit more than pt 1 but for the most part it was in a good way.
Only had a few complaints, and they're pretty minor. One was CHani's attitude towards Paul when he started fulfilling prophecy/when she started not supporting him. Mainly didn't like it because it was different from the book but I get why they did it. Another was the final scene. Thought it could have ended on a better scene or one that was more complete. Didn't like that it felt more like a cliffhanger than a final scene. I get that there is supposed to be Dune Messiah but it would have been nice to close off the first books story line on a different note than "ok let's see what Chani does next".
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Posted on 3/4/24 at 9:41 am to Madking
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As a rabid defender of all things Dune related you have to admit that, through no fault of the filmmaker, the story is deluded and vague in alot of areas.
Sure, this is fair. But just with Tom Bombadil in LOTRS or Clancy spending two pages explaining how to scrub a cast iron pan in Hunt, authors do this to add richness to the narrative. The problem then becomes what to put in and leave out as a film maker. Tom Bombadil means absolutely nothing to thr overall LOTR narrative, except to build a world in the mind of the reader or spout some mystic saying that gains meaning later in the story. This story of Dune is about the Beni Geserat. That is its focus.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:12 am to iwyLSUiwy
This was a great movie. I'm not sure it QUITE lived up to the insane hype, but it was really great.
Just masterful filmmaking at times, with so many amazingly done shots.
Very patient filmmaking for 2024 audiences, I am a bit surprised at how well received it is with the audiences.
Just masterful filmmaking at times, with so many amazingly done shots.
Very patient filmmaking for 2024 audiences, I am a bit surprised at how well received it is with the audiences.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 10:38 am to Fun Bunch
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Very patient filmmaking for 2024 audiences, I am a bit surprised at how well received it is with the audiences.
Well when you have a decade of constant flow of sludge with politics and bad superhero movies, movies like Top Gun Mavrick, Dune I and II, and couple of others that are faithful to source material, are a breath of fresh air. That is why you are seeing this audience reaction to Dune. These movies are high cinema in comparison the constant political sludge that comes out of Hollywood.
I go see movies to escape into the world of Dune, not think about a stupid Presidential election. For all its warts, Dune I and II does make you feel like you are on Arrakis. It should be praised just for that alone.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 11:06 am to Madking
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As a rabid defender of all things Dune related you have to admit that, through no fault of the filmmaker, the story is deluded and vague in alot of areas. Again Villeneuve and the performances are outstanding but the studio wasn’t in position to green light the full story right away and cost us a lot of important world building aspects of the story which decreased the weight of what’s happening. For example, the Sardaukar aren’t as formidable as they should be because of time constraints. The Harkonnens are one dimensional for the same reason. The emperor, Thufir, Duncan and a lot of other things as well. This should’ve been a Harry Potter length franchise but because of previous failures the setup had to be cut down to assure a return so we could get to the second movie. All these cuts takes away from the gravity and payoff in the story. You don’t have any pity for Paul’s enemies like in the books. You don’t understand how big of a feat it is to defeat the Sardaukar. You don’t feel the political pressure from the Guild. Those things take Dune from great to unquestioned greatest. I think this franchise will get better as it ages and the success of 2 could create an opportunity to flesh out the entire Dune universe.
Just replying to this because it was one of the longer takes.
This is a perfectly reasonable take but it seems just reading the post, most of the complaints about the movie can almost be tied to the studio or just too much expectations of what can actually accomplish is 5 hours.
On one hand, as much as I have a "inject as much of DV's Dune into my veins as possible" thinking, on the other hand I'm glad they only did to movies for the first book so they could stay closer to the source. You can list certain areas where you thought they could do a better job, but, if you stretch this book into three 2.5 hour movies, you're going to have to go way off source. These are 10x the movies that The Hobbit trilogy was, but if you go three movies with this, you start getting into possible The Hobbit territory where you are stretching stuff so thin and coming up with stories that just aren't on the same level of what the source is.
For me, there are very few instances where the movie is better than the book, and only three instances where a movie is better than a good book. Ihere has never been an instance where the movie is better than a GREAT book, much less an all-time great. It's a bit unfair to expect this to live up to almost every standard of an all-time great book or for a viewer to get the feel for every aspect of an already hard to translate to film novel. I think this is about as good of an adaption as you could ever hope to get on film.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Basically all of this. I haven’t read the books but could tell it felt rushed. Left thinking it was a masterpiece in execution of set design, cgi, costume design, and sound design but I wish we could have gotten two movies out of that instead of 1. Still the best movie I have seen in the theaters since Dune 1 TBH.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Somewhere between an 8.0 and 8.5 / 10. I think it's like the Dark Knight where the extremely cinematic nature of the movie is going to lead to an early onslaught over over-praise, but it will settle back down in time. I imagine this board has aged since TDK and won't jump me now like they did the night of TDK premier
Strange way of putting it, since it has been more than 15 years, and TDK is no less highly regarded.
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:34 pm to Esquire
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Speaking of, Austin Butler is no longer Elvis. What a transformation, especially watching him in Masters of Air lately.
That guy is so damn terrifying in this thing it's astonishing. I didn't think I'd ever not see him as Elvis but he's just such a gifted actor I don't doubt him in ANY role now.
I saw it in Imax Saturday. It's one of the best movies ever made. Go ahead and add it to that list. We'll argue about where it lies, but it's on that list.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 1:55 pm to Captain Rumbeard
Me and Mrs. Iwy looked at each other and chuckled in one scene because he has a pretty cool voice in this but in the scene where he is walking behind the Bene Gesserit and for oneshort sentence he broke off into his Elvis voice. I know he was on record saying that he actually couldn't get rid of his Elvis voice even after filming. He definitely has a strong Elvis voice in Masters of the Air but I thought it was pretty funny it popped up for a second there in Dune.
I'm a fan of his though for sure.
I'm a fan of his though for sure.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 2:54 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Another was the final scene. Thought it could have ended on a better scene or one that was more complete. Didn't like that it felt more like a cliffhanger than a final scene. I get that there is supposed to be Dune Messiah but it would have been nice to close off the first books story line on a different note than "ok let's see what Chani does next".
Initially I had that feeling but I kind of like the choice after sitting with it as it signals that Paul is no longer the moral compass for the audience; Chani is. Paul is making a choice to go down this road but it comes with real costs of his relationship with Chani (and presumably his children whom I’m sure we will find out Chani is carrying in Part 3) and soon-to-be the lives of the houses against whom we have no real beef (Paul has his revenge, everything to follow now is living out prophecy/following his prescience).
Ending Part 2 on the Fremen flying off to Holy War would have been visually epic but it would have missed the point of where this is all going: everything is messy, nobody is perfect (despite every attempt by characters to make Paul seem that way), and the worst is yet to come. So ending on Chani’s pain as she prepares to ride off into seclusion underscores that while Paul and Jessica got what they wanted, it doesn’t mean everyone else is necessarily better for it.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 3:32 pm to tylerdurden24
That fight scene between Paul and Feyd was really well choreographed. Felt like Gladiator a bit.
Also the LFGO moment for me this movie was early on when the Harkonnens show up in the beginning and have to find higher ground with the worms coming and that first soldier jumps and starts his ascension to the top of the rock and the rest follow suit. Something so simple, but badass.
Also the LFGO moment for me this movie was early on when the Harkonnens show up in the beginning and have to find higher ground with the worms coming and that first soldier jumps and starts his ascension to the top of the rock and the rest follow suit. Something so simple, but badass.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:15 pm to Fun Bunch
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This was a great movie. I'm not sure it QUITE lived up to the insane hype, but it was really great. Just masterful filmmaking at times, with so many amazingly done shots.
Very patient filmmaking for 2024 audiences, I am a bit surprised at how well received it is with the audiences.
Agree completely. Think I let myself get TOO hype. Because it was truly great. Honestly, the only thing I can complain about was the third act. How can something feel so epic but also feel rushed?
I think Denis needed a third movie for Dune BUT I think his love for and desire to make Dune Messiah trumped that
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:27 pm to WicKed WayZ
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I think Denis needed a third movie for Dune BUT I think his love for and desire to make Dune Messiah trumped that
don't underestimate the decisions the studio exec's make in this process... Denis would probably be happy to do a "third movie" if the exec's were on board..
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:37 pm to klrstix
I wish we would have had the Spacing Guid in this.
Would have loved to see Denis’s take on a Navigator.
Would have loved to see Denis’s take on a Navigator.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 4:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Somewhere between an 8.0 and 8.5 / 10. I think it's like the Dark Knight where the extremely cinematic nature of the movie is going to lead to an early onslaught over over-praise, but it will settle back down in time. I imagine this board has aged since TDK and won't jump me now like they did the night of TDK premier
God damn it. I hate that I agree with you. But you’re spot on with everything.
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:38 pm to Esquire
Seen this twice already. It absolutely slaps. You gotta see it in IMAX. Real IMAX
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:39 pm to The Baker
I would like to have seen folding of space & the Spacing Guild. Did I blink and miss them?
This post was edited on 3/4/24 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/4/24 at 5:53 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Only time you see stage one guild navigators is in the first scene of the first film. If you’re asking why there werent more of them then you’re really asking why this couldn’t be a 5-hr movie
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:07 pm to Pecker
I wish it was a 5 hour movie, that's how much I liked it. I could have sat there all day and watched it.
The one scene that had me hyped was when he revealed himself as the savior to the fremen and said the Dune line. Chalmet killed it in that scene
The one scene that had me hyped was when he revealed himself as the savior to the fremen and said the Dune line. Chalmet killed it in that scene
Posted on 3/4/24 at 6:09 pm to Civildawg
quote:that was the true climax of the film. Coolest shot in my opinion was the overhead when he’s walking through the crowd of Fremen. Absolutely epic
The one scene that had me hyped was when he revealed himself as the savior to the fremen and said the Dune line. Chalmet killed it in that scene
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