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re: Don’t F**k With Cats (Hunting an Internet Killer) - Wild true crime documentary

Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:51 am to
Posted by SlimCharles140
Member since Dec 2011
1940 posts
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:51 am to
Has anything been said about the other set of hands in the snake video? i know they say "Manny" never existed but there def was someone else there with him i that snake vid.
Posted by ClampClampington
Nebraska
Member since Jun 2017
4032 posts
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:04 am to
Probably the snake owner. Not sure how else you obtain a full arse grown python. Coulda been something as random as Luka putting up a Craigslist post.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66608 posts
Posted on 1/4/20 at 11:47 pm to
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Has anything been said about the other set of hands in the snake video? i know they say "Manny" never existed but there def was someone else there with him i that snake vid.


I read somewhere it was the snake owner.

Luka videoed it at a different time and edited it to look like another person was there when it was in reality two different times/videos
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 11:48 pm
Posted by JodyPlauche
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
9782 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:20 am to
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And what about the second pair of hands in one of the videos?!?!


Zenaida "Zanny" Fernandez-Gonzalez
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
43094 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 4:35 pm to
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And no doubt Luka was a sick frick, but is it possible he was schizophrenic? Meaning ‘Manny’ was an alter ego?



That was my first thought when they started getting into the Manny conversation. It does usually come out with people in there 20's.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 4:38 pm to
Am I the only one who thinks the internet people are sorta scary? Granted, they’re nowhere even close to the Luka kid and not trying to discount his atrocity, and in this case they were using their obsessive efforts and skills for good, but people who are that freaky with the internet scare the fvck out of me.

When the one dude and Vegas gal walked the fvcking streets of Montreal via GoogleEarth looking for a damn set of steps, that’s when my jaw dropped. That kinda shite freaks me out. Would hate to get on their bad side for something.

They’d make crazy good detectives, though. Them piecing together the Casablanca stuff and the Manny alias from different movies was crazy impressive.
Posted by Sponge
Member since Nov 2018
4606 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:23 pm to
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Am I the only one who thinks the internet people are sorta scary?

Reckless emotion driven do gooders who think they're making the world a better place, but usually end up doing more harm than good.
Posted by hogcard1964
Alabama
Member since Jan 2017
17456 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 6:29 pm to
I don't believe half of what this internet group claimed they discovered. I think most of what they claim came to fruition after the crime was solved. I think they're pretty FOS. It sounded good and made a semi interesting story, but their story was unbelievable.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8265 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:02 pm to
Good documentary, though could have been shortened without so many scenes cutting to typing on Facebook.

The last minute though? Man, frick you. I’m not complicit in shite. I didn’t even know what I was in for when I clicked this stupid movie.
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 8:42 am to
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I don't believe half of what this internet group claimed they discovered. I think most of what they claim came to fruition after the crime was solved. I think they're pretty FOS. It sounded good and made a semi interesting story, but their story was unbelievable.



I wondered this as well. How much of it was pieced together and sorta confirmed after the fact vs how much did they piece together prior to the links?

Regardless they’re crazy obsessive and probably on the spectrum themselves.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55949 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:24 am to
I definitely see the annoyances and skepticism with the internet nerds, but at least they were trying to bring attention to this psycho. Seems like authorities weren't bothered with it at all until a dead body was found. Is their even any kind of division or authority that investigates crimes against animals on the internet, or people that display that degree of psychotic, and sociopathic behavior on the internet?

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Sword and Scale has a 2 part podcast about Luka. It was fascinating, but I’d recommend getting blackout drunk beforehand so some of the audio is a blur the next morning


I listened to this about a year, year and a half ago. I don't remember them talking about him killing animals, or the obsession with playing out movies or whatever. It was a while ago though, maybe it actually was covered in the podcast.

but Already knowing about Luka, and him filming his murder, it kind of took away from the effectiveness of the doc. Still had me captivated, however.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 10:27 am
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115586 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:39 am to
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Seems like authorities weren't bothered with it at all until a dead body was found


To be fair, all they had to go on was “hey this guy looks like this guy from a video on the Internet where we aren’t sure it was actually taped at, and we only got his name from a random source on Facebook.


For a police department that has actual dead bodies and crime to deal with daily, I can see them not putting that at the top of their priority list.
Posted by kballa6
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
4166 posts
Posted on 1/8/20 at 12:26 pm to
Watched this last night. Started out thinking I would watch the first part and catch the rest the next couple of nights. Nope, binge watched the whole thing, because I was fascinated. I too was slightly aware of the history but I didn't get into the full violent nature of what it turned into.
Posted by cajungoalie
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
695 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:12 am to
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Also was I the only one annoyed with bug eyes randomly inserting "fricking" in every other sentence? Usually I could care less about people cursing but for whatever reason this just irked me.

And the whole audience is just as guilty for watching a crime documentary 7 years after the fact? lol GTFO


Agree with the two points above. Man that bitch was annoying, and that last statement, that we are all complicit? LOL!

I haven't seen it anywhere or maybe missed it, but where did he get his money for travelling and such, Escorting?.

His mom's place looked pretty run down, so... and ef that bitch too.

Posted by Ryan3232
Valet driver for TD staff
Member since Dec 2008
27364 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 11:24 pm to
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I haven't seen it anywhere or maybe missed it, but where did he get his money for travelling and such, Escorting?.
this is my biggest question as well. He was traveling across the globe without using a credit card. Im sure it was escorting though. It’s the only thing that makes sense.

Just finished it a few minutes ago. Pretty stunning documentary.
Posted by Neauxla_Tiger
Member since Feb 2015
2071 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 10:53 am to
Just got around to watching this and have some thoughts:

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At one point, they did find him in England. Regardless, a bunch on internet nerds finding the guys name and location with bare resources is pretty remarkable. Sure they got tips, but so does law enforcement


- Yeah, I'm not sure why some are so focused on "the internet nerds didn't do anything!" I don't think that was the overall point of the documentary. While it was disappointing that they didn't have a larger role in catching Luka, I think the message was more about how there are billions of people (many with too much time on their hands) on the internet and if you do something fricked up like Luka did, "internet nerds" could be your undoing. They couldn't catch Luka in this instance (although Luka was apparently skilled in covering his tracks), but the average person could probably be found by these people.

This story reminded me of how redditors will dissect a pic/video of a random poster bragging about how they spit in the food at the fast food restaurant they work at until they track down the exact location and get the person fired. The title of the doc kind of alludes to this overarching lesson...that if you piss off the wrong group of obsessive internet trolls, they have the time and dedication to find you and who knows what they'll do from there.

The internet and its users are a gigantic resource and those folks spending the insane amount of time and energy they did to figure out clues went way beyond what your average local law enforcement has the resources to get done. The amount of time it must have taken them to walk down google earth to find a random set of stairs, to figure out the exact episode of a random russian sitcom that was playing in the background (yeah I know that was a dead end, but it was worth investigating), the time it took to look for the meta-data in every pic Luka posted to track him, the time it took to turn the video into 3,000+ screenshots to get clearer looks at details in the room, etc was all stuff I can't imagine a random overworked police detective having the time to do. And I think the scale of these internet groups allows people from all over the world with different expertises to chime in...like they had a random chick from the Ukraine chime in to say she recognized the dialect being spoken in the video, another person who actually owned the same vacuum as Luka and knew where it could be bought, a few movie nerds that identified movie references as clues, etc. It's remarkable to think about the type of investigative power that "internet nerds" have when they get together...even the sleuths over on the OT have made some impressive discoveries here and there

- As for the guy that committed suicide, didn't he go troll the group and pretend to be the killer? I've seen a lot of shaming of the internet people harassing him until he killed himself, but it seemed like he sorta poked the bear on his own. Not saying he deserved to die of course, but it's not like he was just minding his own business and got harassed out of nowhere. Sure, some of those people eagerly jumped on the witch hunt bandwagon without much evidence, but this dude was on a dark path to begin with.

- The mother is totally delusional and probably responsible for some of Luka's delusions.

- The Canadian police woman was really hard to listen to. Took forever to formulate her thoughts and that accent is brutal

- Wish we got more info on who the anonymous tip came from that the killers name was Luka Magnotta. I'm sure it was Luka himself, but I don't think they ever talked about it.

- The guilt trip on the viewers at the end was lame. Come on. What were the film makers thinking basically condemning people for watching their doc?

- Last, I'm so glad they squashed that Manny bullshite. I knew it was BS immediately, but I was sure the doc makers were gonna purposely leave that little gem dangling out there like it could've been a real person for more drama.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115586 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:01 am to
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Yeah, I'm not sure why some are so focused on "the internet nerds didn't do anything!" I don't think that was the overall point of the documentary. While it was disappointing that they didn't have a larger role in catching Luka, I think the message was more about how there are billions of people (many with too much time on their hands) on the internet and if you do something fricked up like Luka did, "internet nerds" could be your undoing.


“Even tho they didn’t do anything, the point of the show was to show that internet nerds could do something”?? You contradicted yourself

Posted by Neauxla_Tiger
Member since Feb 2015
2071 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

You contradicted yourself


What's the contradiction? I'm saying that even though in this one particular story the internet detectives didn't catch the guy, it demonstrates the potential that they could, which is just an interesting observation on the state of modern society compared to just a couple years ago. Staying completely anonymous is difficult. I gave an example of it happening on reddit all the time. Perhaps the doc makers should've picked a different crime, but the Luka story was compelling on its own so I guess they didn't care.
Posted by ATrillionaire
Houston
Member since Sep 2008
2323 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:04 pm to
Are people really more disturbed by the killing of the cats than they are about the murder?

I saw the murder video and it's beyond sick.

Luka stabs the victim with an ice pick at least a hundred times
Luka cuts of the victim's head, legs, and arms.
Luka uses the victim's removed arm/hans and rubs the victim's genitalia with it.
Luka "rapes" the torso, both with his genitalia and with a wine bottle.
Luka cuts thigh meat off, scoops it up with a fork, and feeds it to a puppy. Then he lets that puppy eat pieces directly off the torso.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
62645 posts
Posted on 2/19/20 at 1:48 pm to
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I'm saying that even though in this one particular story the internet detectives didn't catch the guy, it demonstrates the potential that they could


I think they DID catch the guy. They had him dead to rights and the police they contacted dropped the ball on him.
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