re: Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness SPOILERS THREAD

Comics are pretty much irrelevant at this point. The Disney/Marvel Avengers are the most popular superheros in movies. I’ll include Spider-Man and GotG in that. They blow X-Men out of the water.

Two of the main Avengers are gone. Thor and GotG are coming up on probably their last movie. You have Spider-Man, who Disney doesn’t own, Dr Strange is a mixed bag. Eternals was a fail. Captain Marvel was a fail.

It’s not about the remaining popular comic characters they have. It’s about their current direction and their ability to make movies that make nobody’s popular. It’s not there like it used to be. Disney needs to start thinking about their direction and how to get their magic back. They’re essentially going to have to reboot X-Men and blend it with their universe. And they don’t have a lot of the big dogs to help the blend process anymore (ie iron man/Spider-Man). Seems like they wanted Strange to do that and I’m not sure that has the star power iron man did.

We’ll see where it goes, but this is an interesting time for them.

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Avengers were always Marvel's flagship

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Disagree. X-Men have been the flagship from the late 80s until the MCU. That 90s avengers line-up . There's a reason we got all those X-men movies in the 2000s.

I know Gunn said this is his last movie, although the characters could still go on.

Thor I’m more worried about because of it’s creative direction. Not that I’m against it, but it seems to be getting the shun treatment already. They may continue that storyline, but if it’s not we’ll received, that will throw a wrench in that.

They need a new glue. Iron Man was their glue. Strange I don’t think can be their glue. Spider-Man is going to have to be, but that means Sony has them by the balls.

I want to believe X-Men will save them, but I’m starting to have concerns about the creative quality. We’ll see.

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Lol. Downvotes for the truth, I guess?

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Your opinions aren't the truth. Even in the Ultimate universe the X-Men were more popular than the Avengers. Ask yourself why we didn't get a Captain America, Iron Man or Thor movie until 2008. It's because they weren't popular.

That Avengers team of Black Knight, Cersi, Hercules, Black Widow and Crystal was lit! I'm sure it must have sold stupid numbers.

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Yep.
Because Bryan Singer wanted to make a movie about young people that were freaks and didn't belong. Take that as you will.

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Yeah it had nothing to do with the popularity of the IP. You're an idiot if you believe that.

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And there’s a reason The Avengers and GotG blew the X-Men movies out of the water.

Creative quality. The name alone will not make or break the success. It’s the creative quality that will matter.

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Well that's not entirely true. They also had the benefit of coming after all these other movies. Take the X-Men movies in context of their time. You can't compare the original X-Men movie or X-2 to GotG or the Avengers. That's a silly comparison. Now I'm not about to defend the quality of the later X-Men movies, but X-2 probably hit some records for its time when it released.

Without the success of movies like Spider-Man and X-2, there is no Avengers or GotG.

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I’m talking about the ones that released around the same time.

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I edited my post. I agree with you there. That's definitely true.

I've been a comic book fan for 30+ years. I own thousands of comics ranging from early 70s to current stuff. I have subscriptions and get sent blind boxes regularly.

Know what I have the least of? Avengers. The Avengers weren't even Marvel's answer to Justice Society, it was the Fantastic Four.

Comic history have an MCU bias. People think these movies and characters that are super popular must have always been popular. That's simply not the case. Iron Man was never a top draw for Marvel. The GotG were never a draw.

When Marvel was selling off movie rights, Ghost Rider and Daredevil were bought but Thor and Iron Man wasn't. Think about that now. Movie studios didn't think movies featuring Thor and Iron Man would be successful but that Ghost Rider would be.

Kevin Feige has shown he can make B list characters into stars. He just has to prove the first round wasn't luck and do it again.

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Thor I’m more worried about because of it’s creative direction

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Absolutely

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They may continue that storyline,

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God killer is the only thing planned I really have heard about and want to see.

I was interested in something different from what they did in MOM with Scarlet Witch so that's a dead end. The Eternals was a bit of a turd.

If Gunn is leaving Guardians then what's left. Xmen has a lot of material but they keep mucking around with bad versions of Dark Phoenix

Watched last night with my teen son.
$5 Tuesdays in summer months cannot be beat.

We left with far more questions than answers. Here's the off the top of my head ones.

1. What was the ridiculous point of the super cartoony animated octopus destroying 616 Dr. Strange's city? The claim of Scarlet Witch chasing this kid thru all the Universes & we end up with that stupid animal? C'mon...
(Amazing that I made it thru all 13 pages of this thread & no one else mentioned this ridiculousness)
We REALLY didn't even need that entire waste of 15 minutes. They could've maintained the dark theme of this movie to explain/show was Wanda had been doing.

2. Clea shows up & we know she ultimately ends up as Mrs. Strange in the comics. Will the movies follow the same storyline here?

3. The universe jumping thru a fricking STAR shape portal is what we get? Good grief that's turrible.

4. So the Illuminati is all arrogant & supposedly powerful together yet Wanda just ends them inside of 15 minutes?

5. We had better CGI on Harvey Dent in Nolan's Batman than we got on Zombie Dr. Strange. Why go so cartoon when you're going so digital CGI in everything else in these movies?

6. Rachel McAdams hasn't seen a dermatologist after all these years & her millions earned?