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re: 'Death by Lightning' - new Netflix Miniseries

Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:06 am to
Posted by cfish140
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 11:06 am to
Finished this morning and loved it. Big fan of historical dramas (going to see Nuremberg today). Shannon was great but man the guy who played Guiteau absolutely crushed. I kept finding myself waiting for him to get back on screen. He nailed it.
Posted by LaLadyinTx
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:01 pm to
I'm about halfway thru and this is so good! I knew Garfield was assassinated, but had no idea at all about his nomination or about how strong and entrenched the spoils system really was until watching this. It makes everything going on currently seem pretty normal compared to much of our political history. There's so little about this time in our history that's actually taught or at least was taught when I went to school. It's an interesting story and makes me wonder what his presidency would have been like.
Posted by LittleJerrySeinfield
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 12:55 pm to
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Some historians claim Garfield had the potential to be one of our top five presidents had he survived. Smart, charismatic and a leader.


And was a devout Christian. Haven't watched the show yet, so this quote may be included in the show, but he said this about stepping down as an elder of his congregation when he was elected POTUS:

quote:

“I resign the highest office in the land to become president of the United States,
Posted by BitBuster
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 2:48 pm to
The sex scenes were gratuitous and unnecessary. That's Netflix following the attention getting formula. Throw in a sex scene whenever there's a lull, or a need to grab attention. It's a cheap trick.
The rest of the show is phenomenal. I'd say it should be shown in every American History class when covering that period., but , you know, they'd need to make an educational edit.
Posted by TFTC
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 2:52 pm to
Just finished it and enjoyed it...

I think 4 episodes is just about the right length, as well..
Posted by LaLadyinTx
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Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 3:55 pm to
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The sex scenes were gratuitous and unnecessary. That's Netflix following the attention getting formula. Throw in a sex scene whenever there's a lull, or a need to grab attention. It's a cheap trick.


But did anyone of y'all know there was a weird Oneida religious, free love cult back then? It's a significant part of the story and after reading more about it, it was a wealthy cult as well. Eventually, after disbanding, the leftover financial part became the actual Oneida Silver Company. Most of what they showed actually had historical value.

This whole limited series is a lot of "The more things change, the more they stay the same." Crazy religious cult, crazy politics, corruption, etc.
Posted by HoopyD
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 3:56 pm to
Looked up some more info on Guiteau after watching the series. Sounds like his trial and execution were absolutely wild.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 11/17/25 at 7:18 pm to
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Looked up some more info on Guiteau after watching the series. Sounds like his trial and execution were absolutely wild



This is true, but I’m glad they didn’t feature it. This was Garfield’s story imo.

They showed the gallows scene which I think was enough to portray how out of touch and weird he was at the end.


I actually thought the scene with Crete visiting him at the jail was a powerful moment, even though it was almost certainly fictional.

Conveying the idea that perpetrators of political violence will be forgotten by history and if remembered at all it will be as pathetic and ridiculed cowards is a valuable message.

That scene along with the shame and disgust displayed to him by his sister were a perfect end to Get-out’s story imo.
Posted by Che Boludo
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 3:34 pm to
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I also don't think the black doctor was telling another doctor about needing to sterilize equipment. On fact the sterilization of surgical tools and hand washing was not utilized until a decade later. Netflix has to show some form of woke agenda.

Sterilization of tools and the linkage to germs and sepsis became part of medical discussions in in 1860s in Europe. Lister and Pasteur's works increased discussions on the issues.

Johnson and Johnson published a manual on sterile surgery in 1888, but the concept certainly was in the discussion at the time of Garfield's death

Plus, the exchange between Purvis (black dr) and Bliss (white dr) has been documented. Whether or not it was that specific, who knows. Bliss later spoke to his regret of not embracing the new concepts earlier in his medical career.

PBS: Garfield Who's Who. scroll to Purvis and Bliss
EtA: link is actually pretty interesting for basic background of the characters in the show.
This post was edited on 11/18/25 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Slippy
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Posted on 11/18/25 at 4:54 pm to
There's tiddies in episode 3.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 7:13 am to
Through episode 2 so far. It's a pretty interesting show.

for the TD history experts, how accurately does this show depict the way things were during that time?
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:30 pm to
As far as the political climate, including the increased concerns for waning black political power, it’s dead on. Also, the grandeur of all the buildings and cities is accurate. There was a bunch of money/capital going around from the 1820s onward.

As far as the sophisticated indoor plumbing, I was surprised.
This post was edited on 11/20/25 at 12:32 pm
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 12:59 pm to
Finally finished the series. It's a really interesting show.

Guiteau was a con man and a loon.

Arthur's about face was pretty incredible. The bully in the beginning ends up passing civil rights laws?

Surprised Conkling wasn't the one who ended up getting shot.

The doctor's arrogance pretty much cost Garfield his life. And all he could say was "I think we made a mistake"?
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 11/20/25 at 1:07 pm to
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But did anyone of y'all know there was a weird Oneida religious, free love cult back then?


That frick farm seems like a great place to be. They didn't seem to care who the president was as long as they got to keep fricking.
Posted by DustyDinkleman
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Posted on 11/21/25 at 8:05 pm to
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Just as I highly doubt that random black doctor showed up immediately after Garfield was shot, treated him for a bit, then warned Dr, Bliss of the dangers of the sepsis that eventually killed him.


Imagine not knowing that was one of the most historically accurate parts of the show.

Yikes.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Posted on 11/23/25 at 9:08 pm to
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It's also historically dubious as to whether or not "frick" was commonly used as a swear word at this point in time.


That stood out to me, as well as some of the "modern audiences" nods to social justice.

But overall it was time well spent. I put this miniseries way up there. Maybe not on Band of Brothers GOAT tier...but just below it.

Also, everything I knew about Garfield (before this show) I learned from Johnny Cash
Posted by TheFonz
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 6:44 am to
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Arthur's about face was pretty incredible. The bully in the beginning ends up passing civil rights laws


I read a bit on Arthur after watching this show, and his about-face was true. I thought it was very interesting and personally want to learn more about it.

Also, when I think of Arthur I keep coming back to this:



Posted by BluegrassCardinal
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 11:43 am to
So basically the Oneida group was some glorified swingers club?

Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 5:13 pm to
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So basically the Oneida group was some glorified swingers club?


I read a few articles because it was so crazy. Sort of, but not exactly. They had a lot of rules. They shared all work, food, and love. They had a massive mansion in Oneida, NY and believed they were learning Perfectionism. They had strict birth control procedures in place and only allowed children to be planned. They often had older women (past menopause) with younger men (less self control) and older men (more self control) with younger women to prevent pregnancies. They practiced Mutual Criticism which is the scene where they called him "Charlie Get Out" and everything was supposed to be with consent. After the main leader died, the ones left eventually formed Oneida Community, Ltd and started making silverware. This article even credits this community with some of the crazy thinking in California. It's just bizarre.

Oneida Community
Posted by ipodking
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Posted on 11/24/25 at 7:17 pm to
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for the TD history experts, how accurately does this show depict the way things were during that time?


They got the horse poop all over the streets correct.
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