re: Comic Book/Superhero Movie Fatigue

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I was bringing up a topic for discussion while interjecting my own opinion about said topic.

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Fair. allow me to explain to you why you're wrong. and also a moron.

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Hollywood not developing ideas for more movies outside of that genre

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If we take just the MCU, which has been a 10 year build up, then here are the big budget Hollywood ideas to come out the last 10 years that you dismissed as meaningless and undeveloped. Further: to call the MCU lazy is about as ignorant a statement as you can make.

Now if you want to discuss why Hollywood has been turning out dogshit movies, im happy to have that discussion, however to assert that Hollywood isnt developing ideas at all outside of comic books is asinine. And to assert that the reason many of these other big budget movies are dogshit is somehow the comic book movies fault is also asinine.

Big Budget Non comic book/ superhero movies produced since 2010:

Moonlight
Inception
Birdman
Shape of Water
12 years a slave
Get Out
Toy Story 3
Planet of the Apes
Lala Land
Whiplash
Three Billboards
Zero Dark Thirty
Dunkirk
Argo
Gravity
The Social Network
The Revenant
The Wolf of Wallstreet
Django
Drive
King's Speech
The Nice Guys
Grand Budapest Hotel
Tree of Life
Ghostbusters
Star Wars
Robin Hood
Mad Max
Black Swan
Nightcrawler
Hugo
The Fighter
Life of Pi
Imitation Game
Dallas Buyer Club
American Hustle
Sicario
Silver Linings PLaybook
HIdden Figures
Moneyball
Bridge of SPies
Moonrise Kingdom
Hacksaw Ridge
Lincoln
Captain Phillips
How to train your Dragon
Her
127 Hours
True Grit
Rango
Inside Out
Gone Girl
Zootopia
American Sniper


Looking at that list which is just the last 8 years, your assertion that Hollywood is not developing any new ideas or lazily relying only on comic book movies is proven absolutely false. Further, your statement contrasted against that list proves that you are lazy yourself for refusing to research or support Hollywood outside of the comic book genre. Your "topic you brought for discussion" is a lazy and tired retread that should be put to rest and your "opinion on said topic" is a pathetic and short sited example of ignorance. Good Day.

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But I would not be shocked if BLACK PANTHER gets nominated for Best Picture and breaks the glass ceiling for genre films.

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As black as Black Panther was, I can't see it being nominated over Infinity War. (And I don't see Infinity War getting a nomination for Best Picture.)

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As for ell's comment, I'm not saying those movies themselves are a result of laziness. I'm saying that Hollywood not developing ideas for more movies outside of that genre, along with being dependent on these movies just because they're a proven dollar is lazy. And before anyone says anything, yes, I understand profit motivation.

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This isn't how arguments work. You can't say "I'm not saying this" then literally say it a sentence later. You ARE saying the studios are being lazy by producing these films.

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As black as Black Panther was, I can't see it being nominated over Infinity War. (And I don't see Infinity War getting a nomination for Best Picture.)

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If anything got nominated it should have been Ragnarok as a comedy.

If we are just giving out a token nomination to say "you've arrived" it should have gone to CA Winter Solider. Or WW if the 3rd act wasn't, you know, bad.

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If we are just giving out a token nomination to say "you've arrived"

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Screw token nominations. Dark Knight should've been nominated outright.

It's not like we're getting close to having Oscar caliber films. We already had one. Winter Soldier was close. Wonder Woman is in the right direction.

Why is it absurd? One of the biggest tenets of the French New Wave, which really birthed modern film criticism, was treating genre films with respect. They revived the critical reps of Hitchcock and Ford, for starters. Back then, the superhero film of the day was the western. People dismissed the western out of hand, and now it would be absurd to suggest that a western can't be Best Picture quality. Why can't a comic book movie, other than from historic biases?

The MCU has literally changed the way people watch movies. The extended universe concept is audacious, and a complete change from 10 years ago. The films are technical marvels, acted and directed by people at the top of the industry, ambitious, and wildly popular. How can they NOT be considered great?

I really don't get what he's saying... making money is lazy?

Buena Vista is all about large returns. They have continuously put out fewer moves yet with with huge box office numbers. They've generated more than double the next closest studio with just a third of the movies. And these are the movies that get the multiple teases and trailers and are seen everywhere. Other than Disney, every other studio puts out "independent" type films. Although, I'd argue that PIXAR is just as original and groundbreaking with a few exceptions.

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The MCU has literally changed the way people watch movies. The extended universe concept is audacious, and a complete change from 10 years ago. The films are technical marvels, acted and directed by people at the top of the industry, ambitious, and wildly popular. How can they NOT be considered great?

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yeah ROTK won best picture because of the legacy of the LOTR trilogy. i can easily see IW getting a nomination for the full MCU climaxing

i will go out on a limb and say that this will never be re-created in the future of cinema

And keep in mind that the Oscar nominating Board of Governors receives screeners for only the films that are submitted for nomination. They're not watching the series of films that build up to that film.

So if Marvel Studios submits Infinity War for consideration, the people viewing it may not (and probably have not) seen all of the films that Infinity War is referencing.

It's like that New Yorker review of Infinity War where the reviewer is confused as to who all of these characters are.

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My statement on that was a result of feeling overwhelmed by the number of comic book movies being released now and in the near future.

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It’s like 3-4 movies a year. You can’t devote 8-10 hours a year to something without feeling overwhelmed?