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re: Comic Book/Superhero Movie Fatigue
Posted on 5/4/18 at 12:48 pm to Esquire
Posted on 5/4/18 at 12:48 pm to Esquire
Let me explain my use of the word "overwhelmed", though I really don't think that it's necessary, some of you just sense blood in the water now. Literally overwhelmed, obviously not. Feeling like every time you turn around there's a new movie of this genre being released and incessantly discussed, yes.
As for the lazy part, are these movies based on ideas/stories that already exist in the comic book or superhero genre before they're made into movies?
As for the lazy part, are these movies based on ideas/stories that already exist in the comic book or superhero genre before they're made into movies?
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 12:56 pm to Baloo
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Why can't a comic book movie, other than from historic biases?
I'm not saying that a comic book movie shouldn't be nominated. I'm saying that up to this point, IMO, there's not a single MCU film I'd consider best picture material. I mean, which one would you consider worthy of a nomination?
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:13 pm to TheIrishFro
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As for replicating the success. I think they will have climaxed with the Infinity War series. People have been waiting almost a decade for this film, I do think people will lose interest after. But I would love to be proven wrong by Marvel. The second installment could help move forward the universe and people's enthusiasm.
The real success of the MCU centers around RDJ and Chris Evans. Not just them as actors in the part they play, but in the fact the characters are humans with powers that aren't other worldly. This is a lightning in a bottle moment that won't be recreated.
Marvel will continue to have financial success, but to make a these absolute cash printing machines they'll have to:
a) make a fantastic move (ragnarok)
or
b) tap into a new audience (black panther)
After A4, they won't be able to just roll their nameplate on the opening reel and watch the money roll in. They'll have to earn it.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:14 pm to TheIrishFro
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When you say "this will never be recreated" what do you mean by this? The success or tying together a lot of movies, stories, and characters into a final movie?
a decade-long story over like 15+ movies creating a cinematic universe, culminating in a final chapter (or 2, i suppose). marvel phase 1, 2, and 3 will never be recreated again
just think about how lucky they've been in terms of a major star not dying and EVERY movie being a huge hit. add in some amazing casting (RDJ, Pratt, Evans, etc) , an overload of casting (there are like 20+ "face" actors in the MCU who would look silly if the DCEU tried to use them now), and the rich history of Marvel comics and there simply is just an extremely low chance it can be replicated
hitting on the casting, directors, stories, etc every time to keep things rolling to afford a 2-part climax that cost north of $1B (with everything included) is an incredibly long shot
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:15 pm to jcole4lsu
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After A4, they won't be able to just roll their nameplate on the opening reel and watch the money roll in. They'll have to earn it.
hell that new Ant Man movie may see some major backlash at the BO
1. it's a sequel
2. he's not a major character and has been dormant for years
3. it's after IW
4. it has no place in IW and is just a "smaller" movie
at least Captain Marvel introduces a new character that has a place in the IW saga
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:20 pm to Fewer Kilometers
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It's like that New Yorker review of Infinity War where the reviewer is confused as to who all of these characters are.
That just seems retarded to me. They're all introduced and explained in this movie. You might not know their full back stories but you should be able to figure out who they are. They all introduce themselves and explain their part and Thanos is fully fleshed out. The movie could be a stand alone and it wouldn't be confusing
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:21 pm to High C
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As for the lazy part, are these movies based on ideas/stories that already exist in the comic book or superhero genre before they're made into movies?
So you consider any movie that's based on a book or play or graphic novel or TV show or comic book lazy?
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
yeah the only selling point for ant-man is it should be funny. but ragnarok set a high bar for that.
you could sell it on elaborating why ant man and hawkeye werent in IW, but it doesnt really matter that much.
captain marvel is going to make a jillion dollars. it will be marvels WW, plus she obviously plays a HUGE role in A4.
you could sell it on elaborating why ant man and hawkeye werent in IW, but it doesnt really matter that much.
captain marvel is going to make a jillion dollars. it will be marvels WW, plus she obviously plays a HUGE role in A4.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:23 pm to TheIrishFro
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Marvel is already planning for post-Thanos world with another big villain and lots of new stories and characters to tie into each other.
Get the rights to Fantastic 4 back.
Integrate Fantastic 4 into the universe.
First big team up is against Doom.
Second is against Galctus.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:25 pm to High C
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As for the lazy part, are these movies based on ideas/stories that already exist in the comic book or superhero genre before they're made into movies?
so you're basically just saying only original screenplays count as "not lazy"? ya sure thats where you want to go with this?
or are you saying non-novels aren't worthy of being source material?
either way you sound like an idiot
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:26 pm to Breesus
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Get the rights to Fantastic 4 back.
Integrate Fantastic 4 into the universe.
First big team up is against Doom.
Second is against Galctus.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:27 pm to jcole4lsu
I just want fricking Doom in the mix. He's my second favorite all time favorite Marvel villain behind Magneto. And he has kicked the shite out of the avengers before.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:27 pm to Breesus
i think Marvel needs to split its movies into cosmic and earthbound movies. cosmic movies can do the craziest shite and feature characters who are hilarious (GOTG, Thor, etc) to play off that insanity
the earthbound Marvel needs more intelligent villains who aren't necisarily powerful (like Zemo)
so theoretically, FF could bridge both by starting more earthbound (v. the genius Dr. Doom) and then eventually climaxing in a cosmic fight with Galactus. Doom needs to be like Loki and have the character stamina to feature in many movies
the earthbound Marvel needs more intelligent villains who aren't necisarily powerful (like Zemo)
so theoretically, FF could bridge both by starting more earthbound (v. the genius Dr. Doom) and then eventually climaxing in a cosmic fight with Galactus. Doom needs to be like Loki and have the character stamina to feature in many movies
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:28 pm to Breesus
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:31 pm to TheIrishFro
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Somehow they will have to make it feel fresh and different to keep these numbers up.
i agree. there are only so many "huge cosmic villains who threaten the galaxy/universe" before you get redundant
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:34 pm to TheIrishFro
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Somehow they will have to make it feel fresh and different to keep these numbers up.
If they cast Fantastic Four correctly and give it to a director and screen writer who understand and respect the source material it should have no problem making money. If they do what they did to Star Wars and just hand the next set of movies to a bunch of random directors and screen writers who don't give a shite about the source material and have no credibility or experience in the movie industry and there's no oversight and no plan then it will crash and burn into flames.
If they got all the rights back and were able to have Avengers/Spiderman/Fantastic 4/Xmen they could basically do another 10 year three phase cycle with all new characters and story lines and I imagine many people like myself will continue to go watch them I'm hoping these movies stay around until my son is old enough for me to be able to bring him.
Best case scenario is DC takes a break for a few years. Like literally no more DC movies for 5 years. and then slowly and meticulously repeats this Marvel formula with competent directors and writers and they take it slow and crush it out the park. I always was and am a bigger fan of DC since I was a child.
Hopefully they get their shite together.
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:36 pm to TheIrishFro
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I have no doubt that Marvel is already planning for post-Thanos world with another big villain and lots of new stories and characters to tie into each other.
well thats a fact. Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman are about to be the face of comic movies, and its gonna be lame as frick
young spiderman is boring. give me more Thor: Ragnark and guardians of the galaxy chris pratt
Posted on 5/4/18 at 1:39 pm to Jamohn
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I like em. I'll keep watching them. They don't cut into my viewings of critically acclaimed masterpieces. I'm sorry you're hurting, buddy. My condolences.
The revenue generated by these comic book blockbusters is more than likely going to fund the next critically acclaimed masterpiece
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