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Posted on 6/4/19 at 10:58 am to TheGasMan
Late to the episode, but just watched it and wow, just incredible. I have trouble finding the right adjectives to describe just how well it encompasses greatness because it strikes true on them all. Trying to look at it objectively, I gotta say I think it's at the top in terms of HBO miniseries, and I never expected BoB to lose that spot. They both demand so much respect from me in their own ways, BoB for it's emotional payoff, but Chernobyl for just being damn excellent in everything it set out for.
I completely agree with some others about the technical dicipline it showed as far as physics/engineering, and it should absolutely be required viewing by everyone currently in the field or going into it. IMO, should equally be watched just from a sociopolitical standpoint to show what a shitshow that 20th century experiment called communism was. Seems like communism/socialism have become just as foreign as nuclear science to the newer generations who think they want that political nightmare.
In the end, the truth always wins out!
I completely agree with some others about the technical dicipline it showed as far as physics/engineering, and it should absolutely be required viewing by everyone currently in the field or going into it. IMO, should equally be watched just from a sociopolitical standpoint to show what a shitshow that 20th century experiment called communism was. Seems like communism/socialism have become just as foreign as nuclear science to the newer generations who think they want that political nightmare.
In the end, the truth always wins out!
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 10:59 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 11:10 am to GetEmTigers08
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just from a sociopolitical standpoint to show what a shitshow that 20th century experiment called communism was
I often found myself asking, "could it have happened here?"
My conclusion was that on the surface, it seems like it could but then I think about the multiple layers of nuclear safety regulators and engineers who are completely detached from the politics of state. The fatal flaw at Chernobyl wasn't the poor design. It was the coverup and suppression of information regarding the flaw
3 Mile Island came close but can be used as an example of superior design and procedures
This post was edited on 6/4/19 at 11:13 am
Posted on 6/4/19 at 11:17 am to Tigeralum2008
Not sure if anyone is listening to the accompanying podcast, but the last episode was very interesting to hear the series creator talk about the whole trial. Legasov was not even there and didn't actually testify. It's very interesting to hear why he created it that way and used it as a dramatic moment but also to fully explain what went down the night of the accident.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 11:50 am to Minden tiger
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I literally have zero complaints.
lack of correct accents is all I can muster up. But frick it, that was so awesome. Never seen a show that manages to be so bleak yet powerful at the same time.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:00 pm to cas4t
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lack of correct accents is all I can muster up.
Oh yeah
It doesn’t ruin the show, but it would be like making Narcos with a British cast.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:05 pm to swamie
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It’s ironic they gave themselves a pat on the back for adding an imaginary female character in Kohmyuk to balance the male dominance of the era. They gave her strength, determination, courage and knowledge.
women were highly prevalent in this field during this time period. Plus, not really the show/event to be so brazen about the macho-ness of the times since that mentality played a role in the disaster.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:08 pm to ohiovol
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It doesn’t ruin the show, but it would be like making Narcos with a British cast.
exactly
I just kept telling myself all the best chemical engineers must have come from England.
But then we met the KGB and various bureaucrats and I just shook my head. Still, a fantastic fricking show.
I wonder if HBO attempted get Russian/Ukrainian actors involved and received push back... I would not be surprised.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:30 pm to cas4t
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I wonder if HBO attempted get Russian/Ukrainian actors involved and received push back... I would not be surprised.
The creator discussed this in the first podcast. He said it was because most fake Russian accents were bad and felt it would be take away from the show.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:34 pm to gringeaux
Just watched the last episode via youtube. Very well done series, very well done indeed.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:34 pm to imjustafatkid
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The images they showed at the end of the "dozens" of scientists who helped out had about...3 or 4 women I could make out. I guess they needed a female lead, but at least it wasn't totally out of the realm of historical possibility.
I'm not big on fabricated female characters for the sake of it, but I'm perfectly okay with her. The actress nailed the part.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:39 pm to Displaced
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I have worked with/in nuclear plants for coming up on 10 years now. I have seen/read a lot of Operating Experience.
This episode should be shown in every systems class when describing the Chernobyl disaster.
It was the best and most detailed OE I've ever seen on the topic.
Great episode. Very well done series. Crazy how the Soviets death total for the accidents only 31.
Was there a bit of editorial liberty taken with Dyatlov? Because he wrote a book (or a really really long article, I suppose) in his own defense, and seemed quite angry about what he alleges to be slanderous allegations.
I'm just doubting whether he was as grossly reckless as they make him out to be.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:41 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I liked the technical explanation at the trial. Yeah, Dyatlov was an extreme douche nozzle, but the system was set up to fail.
Was it? Does it fail in the absence of just monu-fricking-mental negligence?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 12:55 pm to gringeaux
Well that’s fair then and a wise decision.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 1:23 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Such a good series. Even the wife who usually doesn't like topics like this was riveted to the mini series. I'm so sad it's over.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 1:25 pm to tigerpimpbot
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That was a really good series. I liked the technical explanation at the trial. Yeah, Dyatlov was an extreme douche nozzle, but the system was set up to fail.
But if the information in the series was accurate, he did so many unsafe acts thinking that the AZ-5 button could still bail him out.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 1:35 pm to TigerCub
What is the name of the podcast?
Posted on 6/4/19 at 1:37 pm to cas4t
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lack of correct accents is all I can muster up. But frick it, that was so awesome. Never seen a show that manages to be so bleak yet powerful at the same time.
The director explained that he feared the actors would sound too "cartoonish" if they attempted to speak English with a Russian accent.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 1:41 pm to MidnightVibe
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Was it? Does it fail in the absence of just monu-fricking-mental negligence?
No, but the point is that the AZ5 button was supposed to be a no-questions-asked immediate shutdown of the reactor. Dyatlov was clearly reckless, but he was reckless in the context of thinking he had an ace up his sleeve to pull the ripcord if things got too out of hand. As it turns out, that ripcord becomes a detonator under the right circumstances, and this information was intentionally withheld. Granted, you shouldn't be in those circumstances in the first place, but regardless, there is some culpability on the part of the people who covered up that information.
Posted on 6/4/19 at 1:41 pm to Revelator
Anatoly Dyatlov was involved in two nuclear disasters, one while working for the top secret Laboratory 23 in the Soviet Union far east. His job working with Laboratory 23 was dealing with production of nuclear submarines. The first disaster he received radiation dose of over 200 rem. Very hard man to work for in real life and was due a promotion if the test went well.
Died from the effects of the radiation dose of over 390 rem from Chernobyl, it took a little over nine years, December 13, 1995.
Died from the effects of the radiation dose of over 390 rem from Chernobyl, it took a little over nine years, December 13, 1995.
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