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re: Captain America: Civil War ***SPOILERS*** and Review Thread

Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:47 am to
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:47 am to
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The only real "complaint" I've heard is that this wasn't a Cpt America movie, it was Avengers 2.5


I disagree with this. Part of the brilliance of this movie (and the MCU as a whole) is that this movie is a perfect direct sequel to Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron.

It's a Captain America Movie and an Avengers movie.


Sidenote: I love how the Russo's continue to just nail Cap's power set and managed to finally get Spider Man's power set right for the first time as well. The consistency is really appreciated. From Steve kicking the parked truck in to that soldier to Spider Man being able to catch a moving car is just outstanding.
Posted by theunknownknight
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:51 am to
Spiderman: (causally catches Bucky' super-arm and bends it back while Bucky stares astonished): "Oh cool, he's got a metal arm"
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:54 am to
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The best part of the movie was the sheeple super heros like Ant Man and Spiderman. Did not really understand the large narrative, but chose a side based on their idol worship of Captain America or Ironman.


I thought that was a another brilliant way to highlight the differences between Steve and Tony. Steve appreciated the willingness of others to help him, but was very clear about the danger they were placing themselves in. Tony recruited a high school kid that he "didn't bother to carbon date" as he put it, based solely on what he brought to the team.

One was concerned about the people that he was putting in harms way, while the other seemed to almost view his team members as another weapon in the arsenal.
Posted by Cole Beer
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:56 am to
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Tony Stark represents the post 9/11 ideals of American freedom. Willing to give up some personal liberties for the sake of more security.


One thing is clear, Stark should NOT be the decision maker (or leader). I could see merits to both side's arguments though.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:57 am to
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I thought that was a another brilliant way to highlight the differences between Steve and Tony. Steve appreciated the willingness of others to help him, but was very clear about the danger they were placing themselves in. Tony recruited a high school kid that he "didn't bother to carbon date" as he put it, based solely on what he brought to the team.

One was concerned about the people that he was putting in harms way, while the other seemed to almost view his team members as another weapon in the arsenal.




That' a pretty good point.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 9:57 am to
speaking of recruits, one of the most underrated lines of the movie was when tony and BW were discussing potential options and he asks he if she can get banner. her reply was basically "would he pick our side?" i did enjoy that and banner's thoughts would have been great...hopefully this gets used in infinity war

also it's clear that thor would choose cap's side b/c nobody tells thor what to do
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:00 am to
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Spiderman: (causally catches Bucky' super-arm and bends it back while Bucky stares astonished): "Oh cool, he's got a metal arm"


Exactly. The Russo's have taken these powers and instead of using the powers as your typical super hero flourish, they've carried them over to a consistent series of small moments that add up to their overall power set. Starting with Cap's infiltration of the Lemurian Star in Winter Soldier and carrying through this film.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:03 am to
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it's clear that thor would choose cap's side b/c nobody tells thor what to do


Would he? Don't forget that Thor is a member of a Monarchy that learned the hard way in his first movie, that sometimes your "rulers" see things more clearly than those who are more "emotionally invested" for lack of a better term.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:05 am to
there is no way Thor would allow himself to be controlled by squabbling, weak humans

he's become more humbled since the first movie but not THAT humble
Posted by 3nOut
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:07 am to
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there is no way Thor would allow himself to be controlled by squabbling, weak humans



spot on. no way would Thor would listen to the accords for one second.

i could see Banner supporting them as he doesn't want to hurt anybody though.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:10 am to
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there is no way Thor would allow himself to be controlled by squabbling, weak humans



I think you would be correct at the end of the day, but I think he would struggle with the decision more than you think.

Also, I don't think he sees humans as weak anymore.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:16 am to
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Also, I don't think he sees humans as weak anymore.

we are compared to Thor

it would be cool if what sealed the deal was remembering that cap almost lifted up the hammer in AOU

basically establishes the heart and value of cap

banner would be a wildcard. i could see him being leery of basically being hunted, given his history. on the same token, i could easily see his emo side completely understanding why he needs to be corralled somewhat. he's the biggest loner of the group and is incredibly smart and empathetic, so that could give some food for thought in the infinity war movies
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:20 am to
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banner would be a wildcard. i could see him being leery of basically being hunted, given his history. on the same token, i could easily see his emo side completely understanding why he needs to be corralled somewhat. he's the biggest loner of the group and is incredibly smart and empathetic, so that could give some food for thought in the infinity war movies


Agreed. Can't wait to see his take on what went down in Civil War. The last thing he would want is for Hulk to a be used like a WMD for a panel of government officials, but he would really struggle to reconcile that with his own lack of control of the Hulk in certain situations.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:21 am to
well ragnarok is before infinity war, right?

i can't imagine that thor/hulk would battle some super villains in space and not realize the threat to earth
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:23 am to
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well ragnarok is before infinity war, right?


Yep.

quote:

i can't imagine that thor/hulk would battle some super villains in space and not realize the threat to earth


Depending on what happens in Ragnarok, Civil War may not even be a blip on the radar to those two beyond "Where the hell did everyone go?".
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:26 am to
it's like GOT

thanos is the white walker army

the arguments on earth are petty kings landing bullshite
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:35 am to
His take would be "frick Ross and the horse he rode in on"
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:36 am to
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His take would be "frick Ross and the horse he rode in on"



You're right. I forgot about the Ross angle.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 10:51 am to
Ok, I have several questions; maybe i missed a few things.

1. the reason they were drawn to the remote location by zemo is because that's where the VHS tape was stored, right? not because he was trying to drag out the fight between stark & steve, but because he was looking for that tape to light the match.

2. wasn't one of the WS pods empty at the end? when zemo told the psychologist 'did i fail?' was that a veiled reference to the fact one of the soldiers is at large? no one has mentioned it so maybe they were all dead.

3. marissa tomei as aunt may. GENIUS!

4. will there be any type of cross-over with xmen? would love to see deadpool vs antman but that might be billd as a comedy.

5. i had no idea disney bought spidey back from sony. does it sound like i'm trolling if i say i had no idea spiderman was in this movie until i went to see it?

6. i had to sit through the ghostbusters trailer wow. i thought i had done a good job of avoiding it on the web..then i had to see it in fricking imax and was literaly squirming in my seat. awful stuff.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/16/16 at 11:06 am to
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6. i had to sit through the *blank* trailer wow. i thought i had done a good job of avoiding it on the web..then i had to see it in fricking imax and was literaly squirming in my seat. awful stuff.


Don't ruin this thread with mentioning that assault on humanity.
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