re: Captain America: Civil War ***SPOILERS*** and Review Thread

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I just hate how damn righteous Cap is. I don't love Iron Man or anything, but Rogers is so freaking annoying to me.

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I don't get this criticism. That is kind of Caps thing. In an industry filled with Walter White types is it so bad to have an incorruptible hero?

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The movie was good. However, I think it further illustrates the biggest flaw in the MCU - there is no real risk to any of the Avengers. At no point during CW did the tension rise to level where the audience would reasonably think that an Avenger might actually die. The closet we get is when Rhodes (who is a minor character at this point) falls to the ground. But, literally, three seconds later we get "hearbeat detected" and everything is good. He even gets some new iron man legs by the end of the movie so that there is really no long term consequence to the film.

Even in the airport fight, the characters have light-hearted banter about going back to being friends at he end of it.

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I like your posts (here and the PT), but I think this line of thinking, and it isn't only presented here as it has been echoed, is really unfair.

How many films do we approach and really think the hero or heroes have any chance of losing? That any action movie star is actually going to die? That any charming, down on his luck guy won't get the girl? That any group of friends pit against each other won't get back together? That the sports team won't win in the end?

Not only that, but if we know the film is biographical or based on a true story, then we probably know the ending already, or if we wanted to, could find out. Same goes for any film based on another property. I mean honestly, what percentage of films do you enter and not get how it's going to go 10-15 minutes into it?

I mean there's the occasional slight curveball where the end isn't telegraphed, or the director/writer want something "ambiguous," (which rarely actually work anyways), but I'd argue that 95% of the time you either know/can know how a movie ends or you can figure it out in under 20% of the runtime.

I do think, though, that this claim is more of a symptom of worldbuilding. We actually are holding universe films to different ideals because they are supposed to be doing that "building a world," and worlds have choices. They have consequences. So to not represent these on screen often enough is a bit of a missed opportunity. The problem with that line of thinking is that again, these are comic books. The actual "consequences" of any major plot point in a comic book can be wiped away by different dimensions, time travel, clones, or any number of wildly imaginative plot devices. This is pretty normal. I would hate it if they started doing this in the movies, so I'd rather they just not kill anyone.

So I don't think this is necessarily a flaw, tension built by a completely unique and unknown endings is generally rare in film, but I'm surprised they haven't tried to kill anyone real. I mean, Cheadle is getting old. If Paltrow is out, they could have killed her, etc.

Honestly, of the likely candidates - Hawkeye because of his absence, Cap because of the source material, Black Widow because she might have been expendable - I don't want to see any of them dead just yet. There's a ton of story left.

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I thought Zemo was done well and his reasoning made sense. Would this be one of those movies were ultimately the bad guy won? He succeeded in driving the Avengers apart.

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Yeah I don't get the Zemo hate. He wasn't meant to be some all-powerful or in your face villain. He was meant to drive conflict between others in the film. And they didn't waste him since he isn't dead. I fully expect him to return in either Black Panther or Black Widow.

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I did have a question on how everyone interpreted the Vision getting distracted thing. I took it as possibly Wanda messing with him before he fired his shot. But I guess it could be read as him becoming more human and really actually being distracted by her (non-magically).

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He's falling in love and it's affecting his aim.

If he was able to pee he'd be missing the bowl too.

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I did have a question on how everyone interpreted the Vision getting distracted thing. I took it as possibly Wanda messing with him before he fired his shot. But I guess it could be read as him becoming more human and really actually being distracted by her (non-magically).

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This was more about Vision staying on the ground with Wanda than being up in the air, either chasing Steve or flying to Rhodey's rescue.

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T'Challa is about to sign the Sokovia Accords but then after the bomb he immediately goes after Bucky on his own and say he's going to kill him. He doesn't even wait for UN permission. What a hypocrite.

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It's easy to want oversight for others, not so easy to accept it for yourself.

Zemo was a good villian. He played a long Chess game with the intent to ruin the Avengers, which he pretty much did.
Interesting to see Black Panther and what happens now tha the Team is based out of Africa.

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Zemo was a good villian. He played a long Chess game with the intent to ruin the Avengers, which he pretty much did.

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Yeah, as far as I'm concerned, he won. It's a nice change from their usual dull villain of the week.

Edit: now that I that I think about it, Zemo was a much better Lex Luthor than Jesse Eisenberg ever was. I could see Lex weaseling his way through codes, sneak in to set off the Winter Soldier, and then show damning footage to get Iron Man to kill him and fight Captain America.

Overall I thought the movie was great and I did like the villain although they didn't have to use Zemo's name. My only drawback to the MCU is what they have done to the villains. First the Manderin, oh magic doesn't exist so we couldn't really use him but........ Now it does cause we want to make a Dr Strange Movie.

Then Ultron, not nearly as all powerful as he should have been, never should have been just a one movie villain.

Then Baron Zemo, has nothing to do with Cap's past and is just some spec ops dude from Sakovia.

I thought the Zemo villain was great, very Lex like as someone else said but damn they just completely said frick the original character we only want the name.