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Captain America: Civil War Question - when did Steve learn Bucky killed Tony’s Parents?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:32 am
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:32 am
And why was he such a quivering little taint when it came to telling Tony?
Because the was “protecting” Tony and himself? So he was afraid?
I never got that part. There was never any indication Steve knew Bucky did what he did. And for Steve to back down from the truth was against his own code and very hypocritical given his entire stance on the Accords.
Did I miss a deleted scene or something?
#TeamStark
#StarkwasRight
#StarkwastheHerointheEndwhileCapQuitforsomePoon
Because the was “protecting” Tony and himself? So he was afraid?
I never got that part. There was never any indication Steve knew Bucky did what he did. And for Steve to back down from the truth was against his own code and very hypocritical given his entire stance on the Accords.
Did I miss a deleted scene or something?
#TeamStark
#StarkwasRight
#StarkwastheHerointheEndwhileCapQuitforsomePoon
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:44 am to theunknownknight
I suspect he learned (or figured it out) at the latest during the SHIELD/Hydra dump at the end of Winter Soldier.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:50 am to udtiger
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I suspect he learned (or figured it out) at the latest during the SHIELD/Hydra dump at the end of Winter Soldier.
We are pretty much forced to assume this…but we never, ever, saw any indication of Steve struggling with learning this truth, with wrestling with telling Tony. It just came out of nowhere.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:52 am to theunknownknight
Bros before Tonys
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:12 am to udtiger
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I suspect he learned (or figured it out) at the latest during the SHIELD/Hydra dump at the end of Winter Soldier.
This was my assumption.
He was so nervous about telling Tony because he knew what that would lead to and dreaded having to pick between his life long friend and "Earth's greatest defender" because he knew they would no longer be able to coexist.
Ultimately he sides with Bucky not because he likes Bucky more, but because he knows Bucky could not control himself. He was just a weapon, HYDRA pulled the trigger. He couldn't let Tony kill someone who wasn't guilty. Tony would have been blind in rage and not be able to accept that.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:17 am to theunknownknight
I'm assuming it was in the dossier that Natasha gave to him at the end of Winter Soldier.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:22 am to theunknownknight
Don’t forget that he didn’t “know” that it was Bucky. Just that Hydra killed Stark.
And he was “told” in the conversation with whatsitsname in the computer.
It was just the obvious connection that Bucky was the hit man.
And he was “told” in the conversation with whatsitsname in the computer.
It was just the obvious connection that Bucky was the hit man.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:29 am to theunknownknight
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We are pretty much forced to assume this…
it was literally on screen. LINK
It wasn’t spoon fed but it wasn’t subtle either. Though I guess it was masked because for some reason they used the younger Stark in that scene.
Remember, the actual line from Civil War was:
“Did you know?”
“I didn’t know it was him.”
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:31 am
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:10 pm to Volvagia
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it was literally on screen.
Showing Steve wrestle with telling Tony the truth was never on screen. Steve learning specifically about this was never on screen.
They missed an opportunity to show Steve give in to his selfishness. The reason was probably so the end of Civil War would be a huge curveball to the audience but it made Steve into a hypocritical dick.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:31 pm to theunknownknight
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Showing Steve wrestle with telling Tony the truth was never on screen. Steve learning specifically about this was never on screen.
They missed an opportunity to show Steve give in to his selfishness. The reason was probably so the end of Civil War would be a huge curveball to the audience but it made Steve into a hypocritical dick.
Zola revealed to Cap that Hydra killed the Starks in that scene where he was a computer, Cap didn't know it was Bucky that actually did it.
If you take what Cap says as the truth, he found out it was Bucky that killed them when Tony finds out. So yeah you would have seen both pieces of info on screen.
Cap struggling to tell Tony would have been interesting though.
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:33 pm to theunknownknight
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We are pretty much forced to assume this…but we never, ever, saw any indication of Steve struggling with learning this truth, with wrestling with telling Tony. It just came out of nowhere.
it was a great story idea they threw in, and then did nothing at all with it. it was lazy writing and lazy directing not to flesh out that part of the story that they could have dealt with in less than 5 minutes of movie time
Posted on 4/9/24 at 12:46 pm to LSUPERMAN
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I'm assuming it was in the dossier that Natasha gave to him at the end of Winter Soldier.
This theory makes the most sense IMO
Posted on 4/9/24 at 1:06 pm to theunknownknight
Cap knew what Tony would do & he didn’t want to lose Bucky a second time.
Plus he also lost his parents at a young age as well. It kinda hit home for him?
Plus he also lost his parents at a young age as well. It kinda hit home for him?
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:03 pm to Volvagia
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Don’t forget that he didn’t “know” that it was Bucky. Just that Hydra killed Stark.
And he was “told” in the conversation with whatsitsname in the computer.
It was just the obvious connection that Bucky was the hit man.
This.
Also, all the events of Civil War happened because of Ultron and Sakovia which all happened because Tony didn't tell the the team that he was experimenting with alien tech to create AI because he, and I quote, "didn't want to hear the "man wasn't meant to meddle " medley"
Posted on 4/9/24 at 2:20 pm to theunknownknight
well when Zola is telling him about how Hydra eliminated people that got in the way (showing Howards death). once he learned Bucky was alive and functioning as Hydra's assassin, it didn't take a lot to tie the 2 together.
coupled with everything from the Hydra/Shield info dump it filled in the gaps.
the bigger question is when the dump happened - how did Stark not find out.
coupled with everything from the Hydra/Shield info dump it filled in the gaps.
the bigger question is when the dump happened - how did Stark not find out.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:00 pm to Thracken13
Natasha would’ve known as well then. She also kept her mouth shut.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:23 pm to Dam Guide
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If you take what Cap says as the truth, he found out it was Bucky that killed them when Tony finds out. So yeah you would have seen both pieces of info on screen.
Actual dialog
Tony Stark : [about his parents' deaths at Bucky's hands] Did you know?
Steve Rogers : I didn't know it was him...
Tony Stark : [struggling to keep his temper] Don't bullshite me, Rogers! Did you know?
Steve Rogers : [hesitantly] Yes.
So yeah, Steve knew earlier and tried to lie to Tony’s face.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 3:36 pm to RonLaFlamme
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Natasha would’ve known as well then. She also kept her mouth shut.
When Nat gave Steve the file she warned him that he my not like what he finds. That's the biggest tell IMO
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 4/9/24 at 5:03 pm to CU_Tigers4life
When they show the recording of Bucky killing the Starks, doesn't Bucky look at the camera?
I feel like that's what Steve saw when he finds out from the video.
I could be completely wrong for sure. It's been a while since I've watched.
I feel like that's what Steve saw when he finds out from the video.
I could be completely wrong for sure. It's been a while since I've watched.
Posted on 4/9/24 at 8:44 pm to theunknownknight
quote:
Actual dialog
Tony Stark : [about his parents' deaths at Bucky's hands] Did you know?
Steve Rogers : I didn't know it was him...
Tony Stark : [struggling to keep his temper] Don't bullshite me, Rogers! Did you know?
Steve Rogers : [hesitantly] Yes.
So yeah, Steve knew earlier and tried to lie to Tony’s face.
This may be another did Dottie drop the ball fan argument.
Watch the scene, not just read the quotes. If he knows as fact is very debatable. One theory is he heavily thought that might be the case, so it wasn't a lie, because it wasn't something he knew for sure until he saw the video. Hydra carefully hid Bucky's involvement including moving the video of it to where it was located. The exact details of who did the killing may have not been in the Hydra dump.
How did Zemo know is the big question...
Think there was a lot of speculation it was Bucky, but the proof relied on that video they had to go find. If Cap had gotten it handed to him in the files, Tony would have found out. What I don't get is how Tony didn't find out it was Hydra with the data drop, but freakin Zemo did...
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 8:51 pm
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