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Posted on 12/3/12 at 12:51 pm to supatigah
Damn that guy was a snake
Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:29 pm to TigerCub
I thought this little bit was excellent regarding Owen's death. I think the crate was one of those memorable moments from the season.
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How did you decide not to show the failed hit, and simply have Owen entering the steam baths, and the next we see him, he's in a box?
We originally were going to show the actual hit gone wrong inside the steam baths. This was just a bizarre, fortuitous mistake that happened. The day we were going to shoot the steam baths, there was a problem with the location. It was a very old building in Brooklyn, and a plaster rosetta that weighed about 30 pounds in the vaulted ceiling, fell down and crashed about three feet from a crewmember. We had already shot the lobby scene and pulled the plug and thought, "We've got to rethink this," and in the discussions after this, I think it was Tim Van Patten who said, 'Do we really need to see this? Wouldn't it be better if we didn't see it?" And I thought about it and decided to wait to get the cut of the episode back to decide, and it was so much more powerful without knowing in advance, and we ended up leaving it. You almost forget in the episode, 'Oh, right, Owen's off doing that.' So many people were surprised he was in the crate. That episode on the set made the episode a little better, and probably saved us a little money.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 2:59 pm to TigerCub
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Here's an interview with Terrence Winter about last night's episode and the season in general. Clears up a few questions including Gillian's fate and such. So I guess some very slight spoilers about next season.
Yeah its blocked for me too here at work....Cliff notes? Gillian survived drugs I assume?
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:27 pm to TopWaterTiger
Some highlights and POSSIBLE SPOILERS:
On where to go next with Margaret.
On Harrow's role in season 4, and possibly going to work for Nucky
On changing history to fit the show.
On Tabor Hieghts happening in real life
Owen in a crate
On where to go next with Margaret.
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Well, that's sort of what happened. The bigger question is season 4. We're already working on that. There are ways to integrate her character back into Nucky's world. So stay tuned for next September. It is a challenge. It's very similar to the challenge of writing Carmela Soprano. Realistically, this is an intelligent woman who is questioning what she's doing with this brute — why wouldn't she just leave? Psychologically, sometimes people just stick in their situation even if it's bad for them. In the case of Carmela, it was increasingly challenging to have her complaining and have her in danger, and then the same thing with Margaret. You would think, "Just pack up and go." Then they're off your series, of course. But people do stay in relationships for all kinds of reasons. This season was a journey for Margaret, seeing the woman fly away in the plane, asking what's her journey, and she finds a cause that's worthy of her time and ambition
On Harrow's role in season 4, and possibly going to work for Nucky
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That remains to be seen in season 4. All of what you've said is true: he's a fan favorite, he's a favorite of ours. You do want to see more of him, you do want to see him and Nucky together, and we're well aware of that, and possibly that's what'll happen in season 4
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Does Gillian die from the heroin overdose?
No. You're not the first person to ask me that. She does not.
So if she's not dead, then I imagine she is not going to be happy to find that her grandson has been taken from her.
Probably not.
That certainly could have been an easy way to kill her off. Why did you decide not to?
I guess we just felt there was more story to tell.
On changing history to fit the show.
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Not in terms of story points, like how Rothstein died and the basic circumstances surrounding it. Lucky's arrest is a good example. He did get arrested, he did give up his own heroin to get himself out. I took those basic facts and said, "What happened when they gave up the heroin? Who were those cops who arrested him? Were they dirty or clean?" Those were the things I played with in terms of the fiction of it. But the general timeline and historical points of their lives, I won't change. Luciano was arested in 1923 on a drug charge. If we were in that zone in our time frame, it had to happen. I won't ignore it.
On Tabor Hieghts happening in real life
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Yeah, it actually happened. This is all based on a real incident in, I think, the Atlantic Highlands. It was basically a gang of bootleggers who realized this was a small Methodist town, quiet little place where nobody paid attention to anything, and it had its own beach access to the ocean. The whole thing culminated in a giant gun battle on the beach on, I believe, July 4, 1923, I believe in the middle of the day, with guys running into water with machine guns. That was the inspiration for this. We thought it was a great, forgotten historical story and we thought it would be fun to do.
Owen in a crate
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We originally were going to show the actual hit gone wrong inside the steam baths. This was just a bizarre, fortuitous mistake that happened. The day we were going to shoot the steam baths, there was a problem with the location. It was a very old building in Brooklyn, and a plaster rosetta that weighed about 30 pounds in the vaulted ceiling, fell down and crashed about three feet from a crewmember. We had already shot the lobby scene and pulled the plug and thought, "We've got to rethink this," and in the discussions after this, I think it was Tim Van Patten who said, 'Do we really need to see this? Wouldn't it be better if we didn't see it?" And I thought about it and decided to wait to get the cut of the episode back to decide, and it was so much more powerful without knowing in advance, and we ended up leaving it. You almost forget in the episode, 'Oh, right, Owen's off doing that.' So many people were surprised he was in the crate. That episode on the set made the episode a little better, and probably saved us a little money
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 3:34 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:30 pm to TopWaterTiger
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Gillian survived drugs I assume?
Yes. Extroadinarily dissapointing to me. The character is so boring to me that I have been fast forwarding through her scenes lately. I cringe every time she comes onscreen.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:47 pm to DanTiger
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Yes. Extroadinarily dissapointing to me. The character is so boring to me that I have been fast forwarding through her scenes lately. I cringe every time she comes onscreen.
I find her lack of sanity somewhat interesting. Definitely prefer to watch her over Margaret. Imagine how batshit crazy Gillian is going to be when she finds out Julia has Tommy.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 3:56 pm to ashy larry
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I find her lack of sanity somewhat interesting. Definitely prefer to watch her over Margaret. Imagine how batshit crazy Gillian is going to be when she finds out Julia has Tommy.
There is something about the way Gillian annunciates her words that is like scratching ones nails on a chalkboard. I do not like Margaret either but Gillian drives me insane.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:31 pm to EarthwormJim
That was probably my favorite season finale ever. I was nervous as shite from start to finish.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:37 pm to NIH
Best episode since the pilot episode.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:40 pm to JBeam
Can't believe people are criticizing it. Questioning why Nucky would go after Rothstein? Pretty damn stupid. Just so happened that the guy abandoned Nucky in his biggest time of need. 
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:41 pm to NIH
is that what this thread has been all about?
I haven't read any of it. Because i finished the finale 2 minutes ago.
I haven't read any of it. Because i finished the finale 2 minutes ago.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:43 pm to JBeam
Just a few people.
also, Lansky is now in charge for Rothstein. The only one who REALLY got fricked over was Lucky and that was his own doing. Why would Lansky act on Rothstein?
also, Lansky is now in charge for Rothstein. The only one who REALLY got fricked over was Lucky and that was his own doing. Why would Lansky act on Rothstein?
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:46 pm to NIH
especially since they are going into business together.
Nucky has to start all over now.
Nucky has to start all over now.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 4:47 pm to JBeam
I think Nucky will be where he was in the start of the series. Complete control over AC, distillery up and running, Eli being his main muscle, etc.
ETA: Lucky is the one who really has to start over. Lansky, Rothstein, and Masseria have no reason to trust or rely on him anymore.
ETA: Lucky is the one who really has to start over. Lansky, Rothstein, and Masseria have no reason to trust or rely on him anymore.
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:02 pm to EarthwormJim
Posted on 12/3/12 at 5:29 pm to NIH
What a great scene. The foreshadowing from the shooting gallery on the Boardwalk in episode one was perfect.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 6:07 pm to glassman
I know it's just the pacing of the show, but Harrow got pretty lucky that all of Maseria's men left right before he got there. Instead of having 40 or so men to take out, he just had 9.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 6:09 pm to DestrehanTiger
Probably would have taken out 20 of them. 
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