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re: 'Birds of Prey' bombs at the box office — and feminists are blaming sexism
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:16 pm to Jay Are
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:16 pm to Jay Are
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Luke is as much a Mary Sue as Rey. He's immediately good, trains for half an hour in the second movie, and is then suddenly the best. I'd say he's written as pretty "ideal", but he's a man and people liked him when they were kids, so who cares.
It's as if you didn't even watch the OT
Luke in Empire Strikes Back:
Hoth = Almost freezes to death. He uses the force just enough to save himself from the snow monster, then almost dies after escaping his cave.
Dagobah Training = Luke is moving some stones while doing a handstand and balancing Yoda until he is distracted by his X-Wing sinking. His lack of concentration causes the stones to fall, and him and Yoda along with it.
Gives up after he can't move his X-Wing out of the swamp, then Yoda moves it.
As I've shown you, Luke's training on Dagobah doesn't go very well. He fails at basically everything he does.
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trains for half an hour in the second movie
You're correct, and as I showed you, Luke fails at everything he does. As Luke leaves for Bespin, Yoda points out that he isn't ready to face Vader because he hasn't completed his training.
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and is then suddenly the best
Vader kicks his arse during the encounter on Bespin. He toys with Luke for the majority of the fight and then cuts his hand off.
I was so excited to see Rey's story after TFA. She had potential to be one of the best SW characters ever if she would've been properly developed. Instead, we get no training in TLJ, then she disappears for a large portion of of the movie only to show up at the end to move some rocks.
The scene in ROS when she goes through the training course struggling to finish because she's distracted should've been in TLJ. Show her running through the course doing stuff, but failing and getting frustrated because her mind isn't clear. Have Luke tell her how he was the same way, etc.
We get none of that development. Instead, we get a last minute idea thrown together that she's a Palpatine so she can do all of this stuff.
It's not because she's a woman, it's because her character development was thrown in the garbage by Rian Johnson.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:17 pm to blueboy
quote:meh.
Nah, he also fenced with the little floating ball thingy that shoots lasers.
I guess.
That was essentially just the setup for the force torpedo thing, but yeah
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:48 pm to Roaad
Feminist is in the title so I should have figured it would turn into a star wars thread.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:46 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
They made Birds of Prey without Batgirl and with Harley Quinn, made it rated R with the stated intent of "not sexualizing Harley," and cast someone ugly as Black Canary.
Can't imagine why it's bombing.
Can't imagine why it's bombing.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 11:47 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:56 pm to iwyLSUiwy
quote:I was responding to an asinine statement.
Feminist is in the title so I should have figured it would turn into a star wars thread.
I didn't cause that turn, my hands are clean
Before that, my entire stance was "movie is probably good, but it is attached to Suicide Squad. . .so it is doomed"
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:04 am to imjustafatkid
quote:It's just a little too tbh, to be honest
Can't imagine why it's bombing.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:33 am to BigB0882
Shouldve left the title of the movie alone. That's not why it bombed.
Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey sounds bad.
The original title was unique, or just call it Birds of Prey.
Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey sounds bad.
The original title was unique, or just call it Birds of Prey.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:58 am to udtiger
quote:
Except for Dottie dropping it on purpose
We have come full circle.
Feminism
Star Wars
Rey
DC movies
Dottie giving it all up for love
Well done M/TV Board. Well done.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 9:48 am to Roaad
quote:
Drizzt Dourden is a Mary Sue. He has a ton of struggle in his origin in the Underdark. . .so still not as much a Mary Sue as Rey.
Drizzt is an odd one.
The first book he is repeatedly knocked around a few times and more relies on his opponents beating themselves to death. Artemis is still a real threat by the end of the trilogy. He goes from being the hero's trickster mentor to the character everyone wanted more of in a near blink.
So then we get the Underdark books and everything really ramps up to the point Artemis was never a threat and the only way to hurt Drizzt is hurt his friends.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 12:47 pm to ZappBrannigan
quote:He is a Mary Sue. Full stop.
Drizzt is an odd one.
He is the best at everything, because he is the best at everything. I still love the books, because of the side characters/setting/interesting villains.
And to be fair, as I have stated, he had a ton of moral/emotional/physical struggle in the first book. . .so he is less a Mary Sue than Rey, MCU Captain Marvel, Richard Rahl, Superman, or Megan Fox's character from The New Girl
Posted on 2/13/20 at 4:31 pm to cable
Luke also rescued the princess from the castle and blew the castle up with magic that he "doesn't know how to use."
Posted on 2/13/20 at 4:33 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
None of which he accomplished without significant assistance from other characters.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 4:52 pm to cable
Significant assistance?
bullshite.
The little "assistance" he received was character development and nothing more.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 5:17 pm to imjustafatkid
quote:
with the stated intent of "not sexualizing Harley,"
Yea about 4 people saw that quote. That was not a reason at all.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:10 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Luke also rescued the princess from the castle and blew the castle up with magic that he "doesn't know how to use."
except that Han Solo played just as big of a part in the rescue and even the blowing up the Death Star as Luke was.
and Obi Wan actually taught parts of the force to Luke. And his force ghost reached out (a power Obi wan used, not Luke) to Luke to assist him as well.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:44 pm to Nutriaitch
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except that Han Solo played just as big of a part in the rescue and even the blowing up the Death Star as Luke was.
Sure he did.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 8:49 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:
Luke also rescued the princess from the castle
That's not a big deal.
quote:
blew the castle up with magic that he "doesn't know how to use."
He used it poorly, it took a ton of effort to just guide a missile. And it took him multiple tries. And it was really his only feat of the movie, which was kind of the point. You can't equate guiding a missile to Rey besting someone out of the gate who was far more skilled in the force than she.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 9:19 pm to Freauxzen
quote:She read Kylo's mind. . .and performed a Jedi Mind Trick within seconds of learning that those were things that the force could do. . .with no training, mentorship, or actual understanding of what the force is.
You can't equate guiding a missile to Rey besting someone out of the gate who was far more skilled in the force than she.
That is exactly the same as having your mentor's spirit walk you through how to use the force to know when to push a button.
Same same.
quote:Obviously. Especially since Luke was the least useful, and least effective member of the rescue. . .outside his one Tarzan move.
That's not a big deal.
The rescue was really the Obi Wan show. . .with a little help from Han and the Droids.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 2/13/20 at 9:31 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
That's not a big deal.
So what.
Neither is the shite you people bring up.
quote:
He used it poorly, it took a ton of effort to just guide a missile. And it took him multiple tries. And it was really his only feat of the movie, which was kind of the point.
And he's the only one who could do it, because the magic was strong with him.
quote:
You can't equate guiding a missile to Rey besting someone out of the gate who was far more skilled in the force than she.
I can and did.
But don't take my word for it...
Keep being wrong and I'll keep busting y'all up.
Posted on 2/13/20 at 9:35 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:So? He had help
And he's the only one who could do it, because the magic was strong with him.
Boom.
Roasted.
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