re: 'Birds of Prey' bombs at the box office — and feminists are blaming sexism

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Luke is as much a Mary Sue as Rey. He's immediately good, trains for half an hour in the second movie, and is then suddenly the best.

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there are years between the 2nd and 3rd movies where Luke trains

hell, Dagobah in ESB is weeks of training and he still loses badly to a Vader who is holding back

in the first movie he finds the force for like 10 seconds

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Box Office Data Prove It Wasn’t Men Who Tanked ‘Birds Of Prey’

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Yeah blaming men seems lazy. I am not sure why they chose to spinoff a movie from the Suicide Squad disaster. They would have been better off creating an entire new universe to feature Harley Quinn in, like what they did with Joker.

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in the first movie he finds the force for like 10 seconds

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And has ghost Ben talking him through it, getting him to let go, so he can sense the Force.

Finally got around to seeing the movie and I was right on the money in my earlier assessment.

First off, the synopsis for you tl;dr folks: this movie came across as a 2nd rate attempt at being a lesser, female version of Deadpool.

What killed this movie was the writing. The story moved far too fast and the character development fell flat. Margo does a great job as Harley but it just wasn't enough. At the very least they should have written her character as more ditzy and lucky, the balance they were trying to strike between adorably crazy, psychotic killer and (anti?) heroine never really seemed to work.

Another problem with this movie is (as I mentioned in another post) they are taking a genre that appeals far more to males than females and tried to hammer that square peg of genre appeal into the round hole of female enjoyment (:rimshot:).

Surprisingly the one place the writing did work was in getting the all-female group together. The story of how the team of only females came about didn't beat you over the head with it's blatant feminism...



...or that they are there simply because uterus...



...but rather instead it laid out a scenario where it made sense that these particular characters, who only happen to be female, all have to come together. Now if you expand beyond that to the fact that almost every female character in the movie is where they are because they are a victim of some man's assholery, then you can easily begin to see definite markings of Ovarian Power with just a light drizzle of #MeToo. This is especially prevalent in the fight scenes where all the people they fight against are men and they seem to easily beat all their asses. Strangely though, it didn't have the feel of being the over-whelming story of the movie, just some ancillary aspects.

Or maybe... the writing was so bad that they couldn't even properly nauseate the audience with their overwhelming Estro-fest?

Whatever the reason, the ManBad/WomanGood theme never really fully developed (which I consider a good thing) but neither did much else. All-in-all I would have been better off buying scratch-offs with my $12.

They should be bitching at the female armpit hair and camo brigade instead of men don’t you think? I mean nobody complains that not enough women show up to see Expendables or James Bond films. It’s getting to the point where I think they’re making these bombs on purpose just for talking points to push their politics. They’re like campaign ads and the box office returns are man hating poll numbers.

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They very much do complain about this. The studios complain about this. They want everyone's money, not just men's. It's why they make female-led action movies. They obviously haven't figured out how to consistently get females to the theater to see these films, but they definitely complain about it.

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Mutual-appeal movies are a very fine line. Studios would be better off not trying to force mutual-appeal into movies and genres that simply aren't mutual appeal.

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Now if you expand beyond that to the fact that almost every female character in the movie is where they are because they are a victim of some man's assholery,

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They're all connected because of one man who is a mob boss not that hard to understand

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they fight against are men and they seem to easily beat all their asses.

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Harley I believe has slightly enhanced strength and reflexes as well as being extremely experienced in hand to hand combat. Although it's obvious she can't take massively large men such as one scene in particular. Most of her work is done with a bat or mallet

Huntress is a trained assassin and Black Canary obviously has powers although it's never stated if she has enhanced strength

I'll give you Montoya though

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ManBad/WomanGood theme never really fully developed

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It's not that it wasn't fully developed just that it didn't exist. The Huntress backstory pretty much kills that idea.

Watched it yesterday. Did not laugh once. It was not because it was a bunch of women but because the jokes seemed forced and were just not funny. There were some cool visuals but overall I noticed I started looking at my watch a lot. Margot looked a lot better in the suicide squad. It's like they went out of their way to make her look less attractive (clothes choices or whatever). Performances by everyone seemed either over the top (Ewan McGregor) or boring as sin (Huntress).

With all this stuff going on and huge amounts of bad guys doing bad guy things, we NEVER see Batman? Was he busy?

Overall, I have a feeling it might get nominated for a Razzie if it hasn't already.

I thought this was a cartoon