re: Big Brother 24- Season Long Thread- Spoilers

That’d be wild if Alyssa is preggers. Didn’t Bayleigh get knocked up by Swaggy C years ago?

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I'm genuinely confused about the people doing these mental gymnastics to defend Kyle completely.

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Think a lot of people are saying Kyle doesn't deserve the racist label social media has branded him with, but don't think anyone is defending his proposal or the game move he was trying to make. There were numerous people calling out how dumb of a move it was 4 weeks ago as it was happening.

At least IMO you can be mad at Michael and Britney for exploiting that convo under the guise of being uncomfortable for the minorities in the house when it was clearly a game move, and still think Kyle deserves to get burnt game wise but not have his life ruined as a racist on the outside.

His life will not be ruined. He may lose some opportunities because of this but reasonable people see this for what it is. He made a mistake, he received consequences for the mistake and everyone involved moved on. The houseguests have already talked to him and nobody is turning their backs on him. Michael is being perceived poorly outside and inside the house as well. Which he should be.

The only people that will remember this are the weirdos on social media. This may work out for him. It'll force him to get a real job instead of being a 30 year old twerking with his mom ok TikTok.

I've said multiple times that I disagreed with the cookout. While the intended result may have been well intentioned, the execution felt wrong. It's the same debate with everything. Do the ends justify the means? Was it true that there were no black winners for 23 years of the show and that black contestants were under represented up until more recently? Yes, but the formation of the cookout felt wrong as it played out because they were betraying people they had real relationships with to further the game of people they didn't even like.

The existence of the cookout does not justify forming an all white alliance the next season "just in case it happens again". At least have some evidence of it. And I don't want to hear there was no evidence of it last season. Not one single black person was evicted while a non black person was still in the house. They just chose not to see it. Derek X made the observation but didn't want to connect the dots. When Kyle made the pitch, two POC had already been evicted and at the time, Monte, Terrance and Taylor were clearly not protecting each other.

I'm just not willing to excuse Kyle because I didn't agree with the cookout or Taylor's comments. None of them help with the divisiveness.

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Taylor has said she won’t nominate Jasmine, simply because of the color of her skin.

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Just to be accurate, she said she would not nominate a black woman … she was not refusing to nominate Terrance if she had to for the benefit of The Leftovers.

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Kyle and Alyssa had sex 4 times. 2 in the have not and 2 in the bubble room

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And I'm sure it was the best 48 cumulative seconds of his life.

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People watched last season as a group formed on race alone and target other people simply for the color of their skin.

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This is an oversimplification, and ignores the reason that I didn’t have a problem with the Cookout, which I repeatedly posted last year.


In over 20 years of Big Brother (America, which is all the vast majority of show watchers know anything about) there had never been a black winner. Was that because of some sort of racist behavior of the game players? Absolutely not.

Still, for several black fans of the show to find themselves in the house together and see an opportunity for one of them to become the first black winner and be excited to be a part of that, I see absolutely nothing wrong or malicious about that at all.


Any NFL fan can tell you the name of the first black QB to win a Super Bowl. It’s noteworthy, even if for no other reason than as a piece of pop culture trivia.


The players that formed The Cookout were not malicious, rude, degrading, or isolating to any player outside of their alliance, and simply made moves to further their goals like every other alliance ever has. They didn’t walk around saying frick white people or try to make them feel alone or attacked while in the house. On the contrary, the reason it worked so well is because of the real bonds they formed with those outside of the alliance.

Yes, they ultimately chose to send people that considered them allies home, but that’s how this game always works, and some of the most celebrated players in BB history have been the most ruthless when it comes to turning on people.


There is always a lot of sky screaming about how the cookout put the cause above their own game interests, and again that is just false.

Two of the members, Derek and Azah, were useless and undoubtedly would have gone home early and drastically improved their game through the cookout, and two others, Xavier and Kyland, were in complete control of the group and never had much reason to consider backing out and went to F3 before X turned on Ky in the move that ultimately gave him the win.


The only two that potentially could have improved their games outside of the cookout were Hannah and Tiffany.

Hannah had a close connection with Derek, but that didn’t develop until weeks into the game, and I still don’t even think she could have done better by going with him as he was kind of isolated as an Ace the same way Hannah was, and the cookout allowed her protection from the King and Queen teams as well. Plus, she made Final 4, so again arguing she made a bad game decision with the cookout is honestly pretty stupid.


So of course the obvious loser of the Cookout was Tiffany. She betrayed a very loyal and strong ally in Claire, and was the first out at F6.

The problem with arguing that that proves she shouldn’t have been in the cookout, is that SHE FORMED IT!!


She formed it before her connection with Claire was fully realized, and obviously she had no idea at the time that she was going to be the first out.

As time went on and she started to suspect where she stood within the group, yes she potentially could have saved Claire, but at that point there were no numbers left to work against the other 5, so saving herself a week wasn’t some great plan to take her farther than the cookout had taken her. She had to trust that X and Ky would take out the weaker members first, and was blindsided. It doesn’t make her stupid or a bad player. It just didn’t go the way she hoped.


Plus, there is also the fact that none of them were guaranteed to make F6 if they hadn’t joined up early the way they did, so them wanting the early protection that the very smart plan created was totally understandable.


The ramifications that their alliance meant for the game and future players going forward was none of their concern imo. They were there to win, and they had a hell of a plan and pulled it off perfectly which put them in position to do so. What happened after F6 was always a toss up, but a near guaranteed 1/6 shot is undeniably better than the 1/16 shot they had when the alliance was formed and they had no idea where they’d fall within the rest of the house as a whole.


While the “celebration” of the cookout and cause outside of the house may rub some people the wring way, that also isn’t on the shoulders of the players, and shouldn’t have been their concern either. They were there to play and try to win, and they did so incredibly well.


Saying they “targeted other people simply for the color of their skin” is no different or less disingenuous than those saying Kyle was doing the same. While technically both are true, they are part of a larger strategy within the game that can’t be looked at simply as black and white, for lack of a better term

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Yes, but the formation of the cookout felt wrong as it played out because they were betraying people they had real relationships with to further the game of people they didn't even like.

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This really isn’t true either.


The only two that really had a problem with each other were Derek and Tiffany. As I just laid out, Derek would have been gone pre-jury if not for the cookout.

Yes Tiffany sent Claire home over Derek, but she also believed that Derek was supposed to be the first out after F6, although obviously she was betrayed on that point.


But that still doesn’t mean she should have blown up the alliance she created at a time when her and Claire would have then been alone to fight against the rest of the group she just betrayed.



Plus, it’s important to consider that once they got to jury, the decision to turn on the cookout would have likely meant losing any votes from those she betrayed, so it wasn’t as simple as saying well I like Claire more than Derek so I’m going to save her.

It was actually very important to her game at that point to consider jury management.

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This is an oversimplification, and ignores the reason that I didn’t have a problem with the Cookout, which I repeatedly posted last year.


In over 20 years of Big Brother (America, which is all the vast majority of show watchers know anything about) there had never been a black winner. Was that because of some sort of racist behavior of the game players? Absolutely not.

Still, for several black fans of the show to find themselves in the house together and see an opportunity for one of them to become the first black winner and be excited to be a part of that, I see absolutely nothing wrong or malicious about that at all.


Any NFL fan can tell you the name of the first black QB to win a Super Bowl. It’s noteworthy, even if for no other reason than as a piece of pop culture trivia.


The players that formed The Cookout were not malicious, rude, degrading, or ostracizing to any player outside of their alliance, and simply made moves to further their goals like every other alliance ever has. They didn’t walk around saying frick white people or try to make them feel alone or attacked while in the house. On the contrary, the reason it worked so well is because of the real bonds they formed with those outside of the alliance.

Yes, they ultimately chose to send people that considered them allies home, but that’s how this game always works, and some of the most celebrated players in BB history have been the most ruthless when it comes to turning on people.


There is always a lot of sky screaming about how the cookout put the cause above their own game interests, and again that is just false.

Two of the members, Derek and Azah, were useless and undoubtedly would have gone home early and drastically improved their game through the cookout, and two others, Xavier and Kyland, were in complete control of the group never had much reason to consider backing out and went to F3 before X turned on Ky in the move that ultimately gave him the win.


The only two that potentially could have improved their games outside if the cookout were Hannah and Tiffany.

Hannah had a close connection with Derek, but that didn’t develop until weeks into the game, and I still don’t even think she could have done better by going with him as he was kind of isolated as an Ace the same way Hannah was, and the cookout allowed her protection from the King and Queen teams as well. Plus, she made Final 4, so again arguing she made a bad game decision with the cookout is honestly pretty stupid.


So of course the obvious loser of the Cookout was Tiffany. She betrayed a very loyal and strong ally in Claire, and was the first out at F6.

The problem with arguing that that proves she shouldn’t have been in the cookout, is that SHE FORMED IT!!


She formed it before her connection with Claire was fully realized, and obviously she had no idea at the time that she was going to be the first out.

As time went on and she started to suspect where she stood within the group, yes she potentially could have and should have saved Claire, but at that point there were no numbers left to work against the other 5, so saving herself a week wasn’t some great plan to take her farther than the cookout had taken her. She trusted that X and Ky would take out the weaker members first, and was blindsided. It doesn’t make her stupid or a bad player. It just didn’t go the way she hoped.


Plus, there is also the fact that none of them were guaranteed to make F6 if they hadn’t joined up early the way they did, so them wanting the early protection the very smart plan created was totally understandable.


The ramifications that their alliance meant for the game and future players going forward was none of their concern imo. They were there to win, and they had a hell of a plan and pulled it off perfectly which put them in position to do so. What happened after F6 was always a toss up, but a near guaranteed 1/6 shot is undeniably better than the 1/16 shot they had when the alliance was formed and they had no idea where they’d fall within the rest of the house as a whole.


While the “celebration” of the cookout and cause outside of the house may rub some people the wring way, that also isn’t on the shoulders of the players, as shouldn’t have been their concern either. They were there to play and try to win, and they did so incredibly well.


Saying they “targeted other people simply for the color of their skin” is no different or less disingenuous than those saying Kyle was doing the same. While technically both are true, they are part of a larger strategy within the game that can’t be looked at simply as black and white, for lack of a better term

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That is all fine and well. It doesn’t bother you and that’s great. But I was responding to the comment about people defending Kyle. I don’t want another cookout argument because we won’t agree on it. It will just go in circles endlessly.

Was Kyle wrong? If what Kyle did was wrong, so was what the cookout did. I’m exhausted watching the double standard. Can you imagine if, in one of the million times Taylor cried, Alyssa said “I don’t concern myself with black girl tears.” Ejected from the house, immediately. #1 trend on social media. Life altering event. Taylor says the reverse with no concern of consequences.

People are sick of polarization. It is exhausting. I can’t watch anything without progressive ideals on gender, sexuality or race being shoved down my throat. I don’t give a rip what color someone is or who they sleep with. I don’t care if someone identifies as a helicopter. But it’s never good enough, it has to be shoved down our throats and we must embrace it or risk being outcasts.

This season, up to this point, was a change from that. I thought maybe the show wasn’t dead. But it is clear this show is as broken as our society.

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Wasn't Josh Martinez half-black?

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I'm pretty sure he is Latino, probably Cuban since he's from Miami.