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re: Better villain: Jofferey or Ramsey?
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:11 pm to PillPusher
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:11 pm to PillPusher
Joffrey, as a character, and the actor who portrayed him was much more sinister and evil
When the character was first introduced last season(?) season before(?) I made a couple posts on here about how ridiculous the character was and how bad the actor was over-acting.....to the point where I didnt actually believe the character was that maniacal. Of course, I got raked over the coals by so many of the GoT apologists with the "you just dont understand the character, you never read the books"
glad to see a few people somewhat agree, the way he overdelivers his lines, I dont even see him as a character in an ensemble cast...I just see a shitty actor who needs a director
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The other guy's I'm soooooo wild schtick is garbage.
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Ramsey has become a stock villain, complete with cliche one-liners.
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Ramsey just seems.....fake....in some kind of way.
When the character was first introduced last season(?) season before(?) I made a couple posts on here about how ridiculous the character was and how bad the actor was over-acting.....to the point where I didnt actually believe the character was that maniacal. Of course, I got raked over the coals by so many of the GoT apologists with the "you just dont understand the character, you never read the books"
glad to see a few people somewhat agree, the way he overdelivers his lines, I dont even see him as a character in an ensemble cast...I just see a shitty actor who needs a director
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Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:12 pm to Errerrerrwere
Loathsome: Joffrey. He's simply an insecure twat who won't get his hands dirty. Take away his army, and anyone could kick the shite out of him. He's a pussy and didn't earn his position whatsoever. He is no threat in and of himself. On top of that he's stupid as frick.
Better Villain: Ramsay. Ramsay, while psychotic, is highly competent. He's totally earned the position he's in. Plus he's a huge threat even without an army. He's highly cunning and manipulative. No one who is remotely sane would frick with Ramsay, and he has a far more imposing presence.
Better Villain: Ramsay. Ramsay, while psychotic, is highly competent. He's totally earned the position he's in. Plus he's a huge threat even without an army. He's highly cunning and manipulative. No one who is remotely sane would frick with Ramsay, and he has a far more imposing presence.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:15 pm to OMLandshark
I feel like the guy who played Joffrey is the only person who could really be Joffrey.
I feel like any halfway competent actor could play Ramsey, if that makes sense.
I feel like any halfway competent actor could play Ramsey, if that makes sense.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:17 pm to Uncle Stu
He's become a Bond villain at this point.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:20 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffrey. He has nothing to gain by being a sadistic prick.
Ramsey does it in part to maintain and gain his power through fear. He would be a sick frick regardless, though.
Ramsey does it in part to maintain and gain his power through fear. He would be a sick frick regardless, though.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:20 pm to PatDyesPants
probably jofferey ... some of ramsey's actions are motivated by ambition ... jofferey just grew up a sick frick ...
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:23 pm to Errerrerrwere
Ramsey. Jofferey was at heart a coward.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:35 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Sorry, bro. But this isn't a thread just about Ramsey, it's comparing the two. Nice try derailing it though.
What the frick does this mean? If you don't want people commenting on your thread, then don't start a thread.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:36 pm to hendersonshands
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Joffrey was a bitch who was handed everything. Lord Ramsay earned it all.
**SPOILER FROM THE 5/1 EPISODE BELOW***
I would hardly consider stabbing and killing your father as "earning" the title of Lord Bolton.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:37 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffery. He was unaware there were boundaries. He did evil things merely because he wanted to. He didn't answer to anyone.
Ramsay was at least aware there were consequences to some of his actions, and that he had to make smart decisions occasionally. He knew he had to answer to his dad up until now and tried to reign himself in enough to try to gain Roose's approval.
Ramsay was at least aware there were consequences to some of his actions, and that he had to make smart decisions occasionally. He knew he had to answer to his dad up until now and tried to reign himself in enough to try to gain Roose's approval.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:38 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffrey was the better villain, Ramsay makes me laugh with his ridiculousness. I cheered like I was watching a football game or something when Joffrey died 
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:38 pm to Errerrerrwere
Book readers will say Ramsay because he is a better villain in every way in the books.
Hodors will say Jofferey because he was so awesome and easy to hate in the show. In the books, he was a POS but really just a little kid POS.
Hodors will say Jofferey because he was so awesome and easy to hate in the show. In the books, he was a POS but really just a little kid POS.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:40 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
In the book and show the only correct answer is Catlyn Stark
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:40 pm to Errerrerrwere
Both evil but Joffrey was a gigantic puss.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:45 pm to Errerrerrwere
They're both effective but neither are particularly interesting or nuanced. Same goes for the mountain. It's not cheap though as monsters like them would certainly exist in a world such as westeros
Tyson, Jaime, roose, stannis (yes he's evil, but relatively speaking he's not), etc. are all pretty evil; however they all have depth. In a world without much black and white, Ramsey and Joffrey are entirely evil, and yet there exists no purely virtuous characters to serve as a contrast
ETA: save for Davos and ned stark but even they are virtuous in the relative sense...and Sam the slayer...and hodor. Ok, maybe there is contrast
Tyson, Jaime, roose, stannis (yes he's evil, but relatively speaking he's not), etc. are all pretty evil; however they all have depth. In a world without much black and white, Ramsey and Joffrey are entirely evil, and yet there exists no purely virtuous characters to serve as a contrast
ETA: save for Davos and ned stark but even they are virtuous in the relative sense...and Sam the slayer...and hodor. Ok, maybe there is contrast
This post was edited on 5/2/16 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:50 pm to DelU249
Personally I think Littlefinger is the most evil character in the series. The violent psychopaths are simply nuts and don't really know the difference between right and wrong.
Littlefinger though is perfectly sane and goes against anything good within him simply to watch the world burn. Reading Sansa's final chapter, it's hard for me not to imagine LF approaching Lysa as a more composed and sane Jack Torrence. LF is a more pure and subtle evil than either Joffrey or Ramsay.
Littlefinger though is perfectly sane and goes against anything good within him simply to watch the world burn. Reading Sansa's final chapter, it's hard for me not to imagine LF approaching Lysa as a more composed and sane Jack Torrence. LF is a more pure and subtle evil than either Joffrey or Ramsay.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:56 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffrey. No question.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:57 pm to JombieZombie
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Joffrey.. There are external factors that make his behavior interesting, whereas Ramsay is evil because of reasons. Joffrey was killed off at the right time; Ramsey has become a stock villain, complete with cliche one-liners.
100% correct, as usual
Posted on 5/2/16 at 8:59 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffrey was sort of the ultimate silver spoon sociopath. Not smart, not strong, not brave, not humble enough to listen and not patient. Ramsey is a sociopath with cunning and bravery. RB would scare me in a one-on-one or guerilla warfare situation. Without the Hound to cover his arse the average 15 year old boy might kick the shite out of Joffrey.
Posted on 5/2/16 at 9:15 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffrey is so abhorrent because he's a sadistic pussy who relies on others/his status to do his dirty work. He showed his true colors as the coward that he truly was during Blackwater. I also think the incest--besides making him evil and crazy--made him impotent. There's no way he would've been able to consummate the marriage with Margaery IMO.
Ramsey is evil incarnate. I don't know how else to describe it other than him being a mishmash of horror movie villains rolled into one. He's chaotic but organized at the same time. And he's very unemotional/unattached to anything or anyone (except Reek lol), as shown by the death of Myranda...and killing Roose.
Ramsey is evil incarnate. I don't know how else to describe it other than him being a mishmash of horror movie villains rolled into one. He's chaotic but organized at the same time. And he's very unemotional/unattached to anything or anyone (except Reek lol), as shown by the death of Myranda...and killing Roose.
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