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re: Better villain: Jofferey or Ramsey?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:14 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:14 am to Epic Cajun
In regards to Sansa...I feel 0 sympathy for any of her problems.
She started all of this by being stupid, kept her own suffering going by being stupid, and anything that has continued to happen to her has been because she was stupid.
When Ned wanted to find a better suitor she rejected, when Ned proposed leaving Kings Landing Sansa told Cersei(in the books) expediting Ned's death, It was her letter to her father that lead to Ned proclaiming he was a traitor and abandoning his honor on his death bed, All of this lead to the destruction of her family and home(not Theon was just a pawn in the grand scheme of things), She was beaten, outcasted, and tortured by her own choices at the hands of Joffery, When Tyrion saves her and she has a chance to save herself by consummating the marriage to someone who will treat her right she refuses(too good for that). Runs off with a guy who helped kill your family, rejects Briene and falls into the hands of Ramsey...
at what point am I suppose to care about this character again?
She started all of this by being stupid, kept her own suffering going by being stupid, and anything that has continued to happen to her has been because she was stupid.
When Ned wanted to find a better suitor she rejected, when Ned proposed leaving Kings Landing Sansa told Cersei(in the books) expediting Ned's death, It was her letter to her father that lead to Ned proclaiming he was a traitor and abandoning his honor on his death bed, All of this lead to the destruction of her family and home(not Theon was just a pawn in the grand scheme of things), She was beaten, outcasted, and tortured by her own choices at the hands of Joffery, When Tyrion saves her and she has a chance to save herself by consummating the marriage to someone who will treat her right she refuses(too good for that). Runs off with a guy who helped kill your family, rejects Briene and falls into the hands of Ramsey...
at what point am I suppose to care about this character again?
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Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:28 am to partywiththelombardi
That she is 11 years old and you expect her to have the knowledge to understand every choice she's made. And now she's supposedly still only, what, 13 or 14 in the books? I guess I'm taking her actions of that age and not one of Cercei's
However, you're spot on with Ramsey.
However, you're spot on with Ramsey.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 10:30 am
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:31 am to partywiththelombardi
Ummm... Sansa was a child when this began. You think she was supposed to be making informed adult decisions pre-puberty?
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:37 am to PBnJ
You think WW2 children are as immature as children born today? no. Product of their environments. In a world where all men must die I expect a better class of female. You can be dumb at first...my point was she hasn't grown as a character...just a slightly better puppet.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 10:41 am to Errerrerrwere
It was so easy to hate Joffrey. I didn't even have to try. With Ramsay, it seems like more of an artificial hatred, like I'm hating him because I'm supposed to.
Because of that, I feel like Joffrey is the better villain.
Because of that, I feel like Joffrey is the better villain.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 11:49 am to ladytiger118
I hated Joffrey, because he was a weak sadistic baby, but I'm scared of Ramsey.
Side note: As a huge Doctor Who fan, I REALLY want the guy who plays Ramsey to take over the role of the Master. I think he would crush it. They need to quit dicking around with a crazy female Master and just have him be a scary, powerful person.
Side note: As a huge Doctor Who fan, I REALLY want the guy who plays Ramsey to take over the role of the Master. I think he would crush it. They need to quit dicking around with a crazy female Master and just have him be a scary, powerful person.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:00 pm to Errerrerrwere
Ramsey. You love to hate him. I almost don't want him to die.
I was itching for Joffrey's death from day one. When he finally croaked I cheered.
So...now thinking about it - I don't know. They both achieve villainy in distinct ways.
I was itching for Joffrey's death from day one. When he finally croaked I cheered.
So...now thinking about it - I don't know. They both achieve villainy in distinct ways.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:01 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joff and it's not close. Ramsey is just a rabid dog.
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:02 pm to reddman
Joffrey was a weak spineless punk. He was cruel but nothing on the level of Ramsey.
Ramsey is batshit crazy with a side helping of cruelty.
He also has balls which Joffrey never had. Ramsely likes to get his hands dirty. Joffrey was a coward. His most cruel acts were against women or he had real men do his dirty deeds.
Joffrey was a bit more fun to hate. Especially with Tyrion slapping him around.
I will still take satisfaction in the downfall of Ramsey. Martin should crown himself supreme troll of the world by having Ramsey finish on top with everyone else dead.
Ramsey is batshit crazy with a side helping of cruelty.
He also has balls which Joffrey never had. Ramsely likes to get his hands dirty. Joffrey was a coward. His most cruel acts were against women or he had real men do his dirty deeds.
Joffrey was a bit more fun to hate. Especially with Tyrion slapping him around.
I will still take satisfaction in the downfall of Ramsey. Martin should crown himself supreme troll of the world by having Ramsey finish on top with everyone else dead.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 12:12 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffery is a pussy compared to Ramsay
And a lot less sadistic
Joffrey liked to use public embarrassment to hurt people while Ramsay uses hounds and blades
And a lot less sadistic
Joffrey liked to use public embarrassment to hurt people while Ramsay uses hounds and blades
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 1:38 pm to Errerrerrwere
Is he gonna be immortal now?
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:03 pm to Errerrerrwere
Joffrey. Just on acting alone. Ramsey is a sicko but they over did the torture stuff with Theon. Both are twisted and sadistic so the story line made us hate Joffrey more.
This post was edited on 5/3/16 at 5:14 pm
Posted on 5/3/16 at 2:18 pm to Errerrerrwere
I like Ramsey. There's so much back story with him. So much cold calculating cunning. Yes, he's basically a Bond villain, but is that such a bad thing? Bond villains are awesome! That's like saying: ugh, these biscuits taste just like Popeye's! Uhm...THAT'S A COMPLEMENT, DUMB arse!!!!
Posted on 5/3/16 at 5:00 pm to kingbob
Tiger droppings is the only place where you will see a Popeye's biscuit compared to Ramsey Bolton.
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