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re: Better Call Saul S3 E10 Lantern (Season Finale)
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:22 am to dallastiger55
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:22 am to dallastiger55
According to the convo on Talking Saul, Gus wouldn't truly GAF if Hector died then and there, but he'd prefer that he'd die on his (Gus) own terms and let him suffer in the state he'll surely end up being in from this incident.
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Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:28 am to SnoopALoop
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I know most of us were tired of Chuck, but that fire lighting up in silence and straight to credits.. that was powerful..
Yeah, I was expecting the house to explode (I guess the hissing was the lantern sound being magnified in Chuck's head, and not gas filling the room), ending Chuck's life in a flash...but the way it actually went down, man, a slow burning death has to be a horrific way to go...
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 8:31 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 8:46 am to Ham Solo
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2. Something truly was drawing power. That something was a camera or a bug that Jimmy had installed by Mike. If so Jimmy may find out next season he caused his brother's suicide.
Just no. I saw this on Reddit and almost made an account to LOL at them
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:32 am to Ham Solo
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Anyone notice how Kim was perfectly fine with what he did to Irene? When he said he's good at tearing things down she told him to play to his strengths. Then she told him they would create another wall.
I thought of you and your theory as soon as I noticed this
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:33 am to Carson123987
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Just no. I saw this on Reddit and almost made an account to LOL at them
Yeah, that seems a bit far fetched, but I do like the one that Chuck lost it. They did a great job of making him appear crazy.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:47 am to Ham Solo
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As far as Chuck's money goes, I could totally see that being Saul's seed money. It's pretty obvious from BB that he is doing well. No amount of money can satisfy him. It appears that his motivation is simply to win by playing dirty and beating the system.
Jimmy/Saul isn't going to see a penny of that money. Think about it:
1. Chuck and Howard signed no documents. It was a verbal agreement.
2. Howard made all the other lawyers leave the room. No witnesses to the verbal agreement. Others within the firm likely don't know the terms upon which Chuck left.
3. Chuck didn't tell Jimmy he left the firm. Jimmy currently has no idea that Chuck had $8m coming to him.
Given that Howard was paying out of his own money, would it be farfetched that Howard would simply remain silent on the issue?
Jimmy might get whatever was left of Chuck, but how much money does Chuck have in the bank? How many assets does he have outside of the house that just burned down?
I don't think Jimmy is getting any kind of big payday here.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 9:56 am to Ham Solo
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Something truly was drawing power. That something was a camera or a bug that Jimmy had installed by Mike. If so Jimmy may find out next season he caused his brother's suicide.
That's ridiculous. If Jimmy had a camera or bug installed, there would have to have been a reason and they're not going to pop in with a reason after the fact that Chuck died. From a dramatic standpoint, if Vince Gilligan wanted us to feel the seriousness of Jimmy's actions leading to Chuck's suicide, we'd have known about the bug being planted as the suicide happens.
Not to mention Jimmy was under the impression that Chuck didn't even have electricity going to the house. Surely someone as detail-oriented as Chuck is would have noticed he was paying an electricity bill for a bug? Even if you go with some scenario where Jimmy is paying the bill behind Chuck's back, when Chuck had the power reconnected, wouldn't the power company have said that there is no power to restore because the power is already connected?
Doesn't make sense.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:04 am to efrad
I lived in a house once that had smoke alarms wired into the house. I thought something like that could've been drawing the small amount of power to keep the disc spinning, but not roll the numbers over. 
Hey! We've got 10 months to speculate, right?
Hey! We've got 10 months to speculate, right?
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:04 am to dallastiger55
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So i thought it was already assumed Gus knew Nacho interfered?
He might have known if Mike told him, true.
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Why do you think Gus was so serious to help when he collapsed?
Gus couldn't much like Hector's strong arm techniques, disrupting his restaurant, etc.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:09 am to Ham Solo
Nacho seems like a "Gus kinda guy".
He'd thrive within his organization.
He'd thrive within his organization.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:12 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
My takeaway from the episode was that Jimmy realized his superpower was to destroy things. In order to repair the old women's relationships, he had to destroy himself.
He'll go through life subtracting from one group of people in order to add to the lives of others.
He'll go through life subtracting from one group of people in order to add to the lives of others.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:13 am to efrad
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1. Chuck and Howard signed no documents. It was a verbal agreement.
Not true.
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2. Howard made all the other lawyers leave the room. No witnesses to the verbal agreement. Others within the firm likely don't know the terms upon which Chuck left.
The fact he was paying him out of pocket was secret. The buyout itself is no secret at all. This goes all the way back to the first episodes. Jimmy was trying to get Chuck to retire and collect his buyout. The firm will still owe the buyout to whoever Chuck leaves it to in his will.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:27 am to Ham Solo
Was thinking about this on the drive to work. What if Chuck does leave it to Jimmy in his will, under the condition that "Jimmy McGill never practices law again". So he just changes his name to Saul Goodman. Chuck hated the fact that Jimmy was a lawyer. Chuck worked hard to get where he was and he saw Jimmy taking the easy way out getting a degree from a crappy school and passing the bar exam. Chuck wouldn't have anyone else to leave it to, but he also wants his brother to stay away from the law. Jimmy, being the guy he is, would just twist the will around and say Okay Jimmy McGill won't practice law, but you never said I couldn't change my name. Idk. It's a thought.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:33 am to AggieDub14
At this point I don't think Chuck has anything to do with the name change. He already has the name from doing those productions. Now his name is mud because of what he did to Irene. He will be going into a new type of law and probably just wants to start new again.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:35 am to Ham Solo
I totally get that. I'm just trying to think about how Chuck's will could tie into it. The point being that Chuck doesn't want the McGill name tarnished any further and wants Jimmy to stay away from the law.
Either way, K + J = S is confirmed. They will build walls.
Either way, K + J = S is confirmed. They will build walls.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:40 am to AggieDub14
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Either way, K + J = S is confirmed. They will build walls.
I did feel like there was some foreshadowing going on there. Maybe she helps him with this wall.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:42 am to Ham Solo
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1. Chuck and Howard signed no documents. It was a verbal agreement.
Not true.
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2. Howard made all the other lawyers leave the room. No witnesses to the verbal agreement. Others within the firm likely don't know the terms upon which Chuck left.
The fact he was paying him out of pocket was secret. The buyout itself is no secret at all. This goes all the way back to the first episodes. Jimmy was trying to get Chuck to retire and collect his buyout. The firm will still owe the buyout to whoever Chuck leaves it to in his will.
What did they sign and how did you know they signed it? Did I miss something?
Yes, I remember all of that, but it doesn't go against what I said. There's a buyout clause in writing in the firm's founding contract, but they didn't sign any contract saying that the buyout would be executed. It was a verbal agreement between Howard and Chuck to act upon that clause.
I'm not saying that Howard had no intention of letting the firm know what the terms of the buyout were, but Chuck may have offed himself so quickly that Howard might not have had the opportunity to share that with the firm's board. Also, if the buyout itself is not secret then Howard paying him out of pocket isn't secret either. If the firm is aware of the buyout then surely they're aware of the source of funds for the buyout.
I'm just saying that it's open-ended enough that we cannot assume that Jimmy has anything coming to him yet.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:46 am to AggieDub14
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Was thinking about this on the drive to work. What if Chuck does leave it to Jimmy in his will, under the condition that "Jimmy McGill never practices law again". So he just changes his name to Saul Goodman. Chuck hated the fact that Jimmy was a lawyer. Chuck worked hard to get where he was and he saw Jimmy taking the easy way out getting a degree from a crappy school and passing the bar exam. Chuck wouldn't have anyone else to leave it to, but he also wants his brother to stay away from the law. Jimmy, being the guy he is, would just twist the will around and say Okay Jimmy McGill won't practice law, but you never said I couldn't change my name. Idk. It's a thought.
I don't really see Chuck going out of his way to draft a will that specifies those terms, nor do I see how changing one's name would get Jimmy out of those circumstances.
I think Jimmy changes his name because his former name was tainted. Not to mention that if he ever gets in business with Kim again (I don't think he does, though), the Jimmy name would hurt her image as well.
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:48 am to efrad
I wonder how Kim's image will be hurt by her accident. She made poor judgement that led to her crashing the car. I wonder if Mesa Verde will take note of this or if everyone just ignores it.
And her pushing all her meetings back. What is she thinking? She's got work to do. Something in her head clicked when Francesca was still there. It isn't just her needing more time for recovery.
And her pushing all her meetings back. What is she thinking? She's got work to do. Something in her head clicked when Francesca was still there. It isn't just her needing more time for recovery.
This post was edited on 6/20/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/20/17 at 10:48 am to efrad
Can we turn this into the BCS CRACKPOT THREAD? There's so much fun to be had
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