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Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice - Ultimate Edition Review

Posted on 7/2/16 at 11:24 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71158 posts
Posted on 7/2/16 at 11:24 pm
You all know me to be a big Batman fan. Some will even say I am one of the biggest Nolan fan boys on this board (I probably am) but I also pride myself on being fairly objective toward movies - whether they be directed by Nolan or by Uwe Boll.

When Batman v. Superman first came out in theaters back in March, I expressed tremendous disappointment with how the film turned out. I didn't really have too many problems with thematics or characters though. My biggest problem was with the story and how very little sense it made.

Because of the story, as well as a very weak third act, I gave the original theatrical release a 5/10 rating. Which is right around a C- or D+ letter grade.

So when I heard that a 3-hour cut was going to be released for home viewing I couldn't tell you how excited I got. I really felt like most of Batman v. Superman's problems were editing decisions gone wrong. Chris Terrio is a solid writer and I highly doubted he would come up with a screenplay that contained such mediocrity.

When I finished the 3-hour cut I couldn't begin to tell you how sorry I started to feel for Zack Snyder. While this film still will contain thematics and characterizations many of its detractors couldn't stand, and while the third act still has it's problems (including the annoying "Martha" scene), I feel as if the second and third acts are given a big boost by the additional 30 minutes of footage.

It's not a night and day difference, but the biggest problem I had with the movie (the story) is given a HUGE band-aid. Story beats and character moments that didn't make sense and had us all scratching our heads in the theaters are more fleshed out and understandable here. You actually understand why the world distrusts Superman and why Superman doesn't like Batman.

The biggest improvement is the scene in the desert. In the theatrical relief, we were left to wonder what in the hell just happened there. What we saw and what the characters in the movie were saying happened there just didn't jive. Why is that? Because a lot of critical story elements were cut out of the movie.

What happens in the desert is the lynchpin for your entire story. Cutting out important story elements for the sake of an acceptable theatrical runtime is not the way to go. Because of those cuts, the audience was left confused by it and the film never recovered.

Other changes like these are made throughout the movie. Changes that bring Lex Luthor's master plan more into focus instead of leaving it as the jigsaw puzzle it was in the theatrical cut. The characters of Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and Lex Luthor are all greatly aided by the Ultimate Cut.

Why this film wasn't the one released in theaters is totally beyond me.

As I said above...the film is still not a masterpiece. Many flaws still remain (particularly the third act). But the first and second acts are elevated to such a high level that the film itself goes from mediocre/below average to actually being a decent movie.

Theatrical Cut Grade: D+
Ultimate Cut Grade: B-

Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
60097 posts
Posted on 7/2/16 at 11:43 pm to
I just watched it today and it's definitely a much better version than the theatrical cut. Unfortunately, it still doesn't change my view of the film. My main issue is I just find it to be quite boring, there's really nothing about this film that excites me. The new version didn't change any of that for me.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
27322 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 12:15 am to
I watched it last night, it is the only version I have ever seen so I don't know of all the plot holes and such in the regular version, but my take was basically the same...it was just a not good movie. The story was not interesting, there really was no tension, the fights were the same as Man of Steel and over the top cgi shite fests. Doomsday looked like a cartoon and Affleck's Batman was terribly written and uninteresting. In fact the whole thing was terribly written. The premise was bad and meandering and you didn't care about any of the characters...other than that...success!
This post was edited on 7/3/16 at 12:16 am
Posted by forksup
Member since Dec 2013
8817 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 12:16 am to
About to watch it tomorrow night. I actually enjoyed BvS. It was a refreshing change from all the comic in Marvel's movies. I'm really excited about the Ultimate version.
Posted by TigerNutwhack
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
4247 posts
Posted on 7/3/16 at 7:36 am to
I watched this last night and I hadn't seen the theatrical cut. It definitely had problems, but I didn't hate it like I thought I would (I hated MoS).

I never cared about Superman, or Batman, or well... any of the characters, but I was able to enjoy some of the scenes. I also agree with the critique that they tried to shove too much shite into this movie. There were enough story lines in the movie to make 2-3 much better movies.

I liked Affleck's Batman, even if he was Murderman, and look forward to his solo movie. I hope to God that someone other than Snyder handles the Flash. He's already taken the joy out of Superman, I'd hate to see the same happen to Flash.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:56 pm to
Never saw it in theaters but watching the 3 hour version right now.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

hope to God that someone other than Snyder handles the Flash. He's already taken the joy out of Superman, I'd hate to see the same happen to Flash.



I've never agreed with a statement more.

Can you imagine a slow, color washed, depressing, Flash movie, where Flash is a sad little depressed kid that hates himself and his family and his powers and wines and throws tantrums like an immature little frick who no one would ever belive could handle being a top tier world saving hero?


Because that's the exact movie Snyder will deliver.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 3:06 pm
Posted by forksup
Member since Dec 2013
8817 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:03 pm to
I liked it. More cohesive. I just really wish there wasn't the M____ part. That part of the movie is just so awkward
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

I just really wish there wasn't the M____ part.


You spelled Jesse Eisenberg wrong
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115461 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:19 pm to
quote:

You spelled Jesse Eisenberg wrong




I am on record liking BvS (but acknowledging its faults) and I have not seen UE.

But, there's nothing that could be done to make the JE version of Lex make any fricking sense or better without completely reshooting the movie.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:21 pm to
How do I get a copy of this without buying it? Redbox or anything similar?
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 3:22 pm
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115461 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

How do I get a copy of this without buying it? Redbox or anything similar?


Don't know. I have the Blu-Ray preordered on Amazon. I suspect I can watch the digital online now, but I'd rather wait.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

Why this film wasn't the one released in theaters is totally beyond me.


I disliked the theatrical version quite a bit, and have wanted to see this movie since I was a kid waking up on Saturday mornings for Super Friends. To say I was prepped to want to like it is an understatement...

So, if the Director's Cut is better, good...I'd like that. honestly.

But at some point can we not call a spade a spade when it comes to Zach Snyder and his inability or unwillingness to make a 2 1/2 hour movie that works without having to see the Director's Cut to "get it?" This same thing took place with Watchmen, did it not? The director's cut was far superior and while still not a masterpiece was tremendously better than the theatrical cut.

So what is it about this guy that he can;t make a coherent 2 1/2 hour movie, or more importantly why does WB keep handing him projects if he's unable or unwilling to turn in a solid movie that fits into the time frame they want their blockbusters to fit into?
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50742 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:31 pm to
Never saw the Theatrical Version, but I watched the Ultimate Edition this weekend.

Much, much better movie than Man of Steel IMO. Not sure what the running time was on MOS, but it felt like it was an hour longer than BvS: Ultimate edition.

Came in prepared to hate Wonder Woman. Now I'm actually pumped to see the Wonder Woman movie.

Don't get all the hate for the "Martha" scene. Felt like it made sense given the character's backstories. I mean, Batman's entire life is defined by the death of his parents.

Not a fan of Lex.

I'll give it a 7 out of 10.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115461 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

But at some point can we not call a spade a spade when it comes to Zach Snyder and his inability or unwillingness to make a 2 1/2 hour movie that works without having to see the Director's Cut to "get it?" This same thing took place with Watchmen, did it not? The director's cut was far superior and while still not a masterpiece was tremendously better than the theatrical cut.


It seems pretty clear that this was probably originally going to be two movies, and the studio got impatient (or had Marvel induced panic) and forced it to be compressed.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

Don't get all the hate for the "Martha" scene. Felt like it made sense given the character's backstories. I mean, Batman's entire life is defined by the death of his parents.


In a nut shell, it was handled poorly. Plus, they telegraphed it with having Thomas Wayne saying her name like that in Crime Alley as they were dying.

All they would have needed to do in that scene to snap Bats out of it would have been to have Superman say, "They're going to kill my mother!" Her name was irrelevant. Like you said, Bruce is all about dead parents. To hear that Superman HAS a Mom and that she was being threatened could have been enough to have him see Superman as mortal...as Clark. Plus...who the flying frick refers to their mother by her first name and says, "They're going to kill Martha!!!" Doing it that way invited criticism and begged people to pick that apart.

Anyway...
Posted by RedPants
GA
Member since Jan 2013
6055 posts
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:41 pm to
Ultimate Cut is just an immensely better movie. I went from thinking BvS was below average to really liking it.
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