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Avengers: Infinity War Director on Defenders in the Films
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:35 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:35 am
Probably Not gonna happen
^^ Might be a bit of hyperbole.. but the idea still stands
So:
A) I never really knew there was even a rumor that the Netflix Defenders would EVER show up in the film franchise
B)I think we kinda see why S.H.I.E.L.D has kinda gone in it's own direction without connection to the movies at this point
C) For anyone who has watched DD or JJ and complained about "Why couldn't you at least put Stark Towers in the shooting" - it could be that Marvel never intends on bringing the two together, which brings me to:
D) The people that complain about the DC shows on The CW not matching up with the DC Films.. can basically shut up now, the same thing is happening at Marvel, but Marvel is basically lying to you and saying they are in the same world... when in all reality, they are their own thing.
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“It’s complicated,” said Russo during a new interview with Super Interessante at Comic Con Experience Brazil. “When we start to serialize the telling of stories it’s difficult. You have to have a lot of control and focus on the course of history. The films are controlled by a group led by Kevin Feige, so they function as a unit. Other products, even if they are from Marvel, are controlled by others. Then there is the possibility of a crossover, but it’s more complicated.”
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There have been a lot of rumors about schisms between Feige’s Marvel Studios projects on the theatrical side, and Marvel TV, which is essentially a separate entity under the same corporate umbrella. But this is one of the first times that anyone at Marvel has equated the relationship between the two divisions as equivalent to the rocky relationship between Marvel and Fox!
^^ Might be a bit of hyperbole.. but the idea still stands
So:
A) I never really knew there was even a rumor that the Netflix Defenders would EVER show up in the film franchise
B)I think we kinda see why S.H.I.E.L.D has kinda gone in it's own direction without connection to the movies at this point
C) For anyone who has watched DD or JJ and complained about "Why couldn't you at least put Stark Towers in the shooting" - it could be that Marvel never intends on bringing the two together, which brings me to:
D) The people that complain about the DC shows on The CW not matching up with the DC Films.. can basically shut up now, the same thing is happening at Marvel, but Marvel is basically lying to you and saying they are in the same world... when in all reality, they are their own thing.
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 10:50 am to BaddestAndvari
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Marvel is basically lying to you and saying they are in the same world... when in all reality, they are their own thing.
That's not accurate. They can exist in the same world even if two different groups are handling production.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:02 am to BaddestAndvari
They've made reference to the Chitauri Invasion in both Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
The difference between DC and Marvel live action is that DC has opened it up for creators to pretty much do their own thing with the characters, without worrying how it would effect what creators are doing in the other medium. They still have to check in, but if Supergirl wants to note that Superman has a certain history or villains that aren't mentioned in the movies, they can go with it.
Even if The Defenders aren't included in the actual Infinity Wars, I'm guessing that the Infinity Wars would still have some impact on the Netflix shows (and definitely the SHIELD series).
The difference between DC and Marvel live action is that DC has opened it up for creators to pretty much do their own thing with the characters, without worrying how it would effect what creators are doing in the other medium. They still have to check in, but if Supergirl wants to note that Superman has a certain history or villains that aren't mentioned in the movies, they can go with it.
Even if The Defenders aren't included in the actual Infinity Wars, I'm guessing that the Infinity Wars would still have some impact on the Netflix shows (and definitely the SHIELD series).
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:08 am to BaddestAndvari
The comic versions of these characters are different, but the TV versions of Luke Cage and Jessica Jones don't display any sort of motive to get involved in a cosmic-level event anyhow.
TV Luke Cage "takes care of his own." If it's not in his neighborhood or within his friends, relations, and associates, he doesn't get involved. He said it himself.
Jessica Jones tried the superhero thing and became disillusioned. Why would she sign up to fight alongside Captain America and Iron Man? Doesn't fit her character.
Daredevil has shown a little more motive to act in the best interests of the public, but his neighborhood is his focus, and even then, he struggles with his conscience over using violence for good.
Unless the Infinity War takes place on the streets of Hell's Kitchen proper, there's no story basis to bring in these characters anyhow, based on what the TV characters have said and done thus far.
TV Luke Cage "takes care of his own." If it's not in his neighborhood or within his friends, relations, and associates, he doesn't get involved. He said it himself.
Jessica Jones tried the superhero thing and became disillusioned. Why would she sign up to fight alongside Captain America and Iron Man? Doesn't fit her character.
Daredevil has shown a little more motive to act in the best interests of the public, but his neighborhood is his focus, and even then, he struggles with his conscience over using violence for good.
Unless the Infinity War takes place on the streets of Hell's Kitchen proper, there's no story basis to bring in these characters anyhow, based on what the TV characters have said and done thus far.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 11:09 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:10 am to BaddestAndvari
Both shield and Netflix shows often reference characters and events from the films. Movie characters have even guest starred on shield. They used shield to set up winter soldier and then used winter soldier to propel shield, to great effect. Shield has played off of every movie since it has been on the air - even guardians of the Galaxy. - maybe not ant-man
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 11:13 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:15 am to BaddestAndvari
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D) The people that complain about the DC shows on The CW not matching up with the DC Films.. can basically shut up now, the same thing is happening at Marvel, but Marvel is basically lying to you and saying they are in the same world... when in all reality, they are their own thing.
Your whole post was to make this point, wasn't it?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:17 am to lagallifrey
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maybe not ant-man
Yeah, Ant-man didn't, but I think Ant Man came out during the summer hiatus and with it's already lengthy production and well documented issues, it would have been difficult to squeeze in references to SHIELD. They had to shoe-horn in the Falcon stuff as it is.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:22 am to BaddestAndvari
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B)I think we kinda see why S.H.I.E.L.D has kinda gone in it's own direction without connection to the movies at this point
There's been connections to every movie. Hell there's film characters that have been on the tv show, NICK FURY, Maria Hill, Lady Sif, and a few others.
Pretty sure Hydra will be part of Civil War, and unless the Hydra in AOS is unaware of the Hyrda in the films, which i highly doubt considering Gideon Malick was in Winter Soldier and is the current leader of Hydra on AOS, the films and the show are going to have connections.
You can also start seeing where Agent Carter, which already has had tie ins with Armin Zola and Vanko, could tie into Ant-Man.
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Speaking at an event last night to celebrate the in-home release of Avengers: Age of Ultron, Kevin Feige – now the top boss at Marvel Studios – admitted that the TV shows will have an increased role and will be referenced more in the movies down the road.
“I think that’s inevitable at some point as we’re plotting the movies going forward and they’re doing the shows.”
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:36 am to TeddyPadillac
There were the reports a few months ago that the SHIELD folks were pissed because Marvel was waffling on doing the Inhumans movie, after SHIELD had been given the task of laying the groundwork for the Inhumans.
The latest word is that the Inhumans movie is going forward, but they'e limiting the characters that SHIELD can reference.
The latest word is that the Inhumans movie is going forward, but they'e limiting the characters that SHIELD can reference.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:47 am to Fewer Kilometers
The two "worlds" are certainly intertwined as others have pointed out.
My main issue would be that it would feel really incongruous if the Marvel TV world showed up explicitly in the movie world. They have VERY different tones and treatment of powers. The TV world is pretty understated in the use the powers, whereas the movie world is amped up. The feeling of the TV world is much darker (since it's mainly in Hells Kitchene so far, that makes sense) whereas the movie world is much more glamorous and high sheen.
That being said, I could definitely see people from the TV world having cameos in the movies, but I wouldn't want to see them take on major roles, as I think either they'd seem out of placee in the movies, or they'd have to make them act out of character so that they seemed more in place.
My main issue would be that it would feel really incongruous if the Marvel TV world showed up explicitly in the movie world. They have VERY different tones and treatment of powers. The TV world is pretty understated in the use the powers, whereas the movie world is amped up. The feeling of the TV world is much darker (since it's mainly in Hells Kitchene so far, that makes sense) whereas the movie world is much more glamorous and high sheen.
That being said, I could definitely see people from the TV world having cameos in the movies, but I wouldn't want to see them take on major roles, as I think either they'd seem out of placee in the movies, or they'd have to make them act out of character so that they seemed more in place.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 11:49 am to hogfly
Spider-Man is the main character that fits in both worlds.
It would be a sin if we never got to see Spider-Man and Daredevil sitting on a building ledge, eating their lunch.
It would be a sin if we never got to see Spider-Man and Daredevil sitting on a building ledge, eating their lunch.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:01 pm to Fewer Kilometers
You'd think Agent Coulson would come back to the films at some point.
They don't even have Nick Fury slated to appear in any future films, despite him having 2 movies left on his contract.
Seems they are making shield pretty much disappear from the films.
They don't even have Nick Fury slated to appear in any future films, despite him having 2 movies left on his contract.
Seems they are making shield pretty much disappear from the films.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:10 pm to BaddestAndvari
I don't think any of the Netflix characters would be much help against Thanos.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:13 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Seems they are making shield pretty much disappear from the films.
Well, Coulson is still dead in the movies. Sif, Hill, and Fury are the only movie characters still aware of him being alive.
How that will play in the new Cap movie will be interesting with Agent 13. I mean, is she still a SHIELD agent? If so, who does she think is the director?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:16 pm to ProjectP2294
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How that will play in the new Cap movie will be interesting with Agent 13. I mean, is she still a SHIELD agent? If so, who does she think is the director?
That's what i don't understand
Fury showed up on "Theta Protocal" something Coulson talked about. There's obviously still SHIELD in the films, just seems like they don't care that there's still a SHIELD.
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quote:Loeb: There’s a plan. It’s just one of those things that when it pops, folks will see it.
At any point, did you lobby for the Avengers to find out that Coulson is alive?
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:21 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think Martin Freeman is playing a SHIELD agent as well. With all this international stuff going on and certain SHIELD agents being used in highly visible roles in the films, it makes it less and less probably that Coulson is actually running the whole show.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:21 pm to BaddestAndvari
The difference between DC and Marvel is that DC will have the same characters played by different actors with NO connection between the two. Marvel Netflix shows are referencing what happened in the movies. They may never crossover, but they all exist in the same universe.
Personally I like that the Netflix shows stand alone. I don't think there's a need to crossover. I do think it's cool that the TV shows acknowledge the movies, but the Netflix shows have a different tone entirely from the films.
Personally I like that the Netflix shows stand alone. I don't think there's a need to crossover. I do think it's cool that the TV shows acknowledge the movies, but the Netflix shows have a different tone entirely from the films.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:23 pm to abellsujr
Besides, once Jessica Jones finds out that Loki is into mind control, she'll kill off one of the only great villains in the Marvel movieverse.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:23 pm to Methuselah
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Your whole post was to make this point, wasn't it?
no, I love all of the shows and movies references in this thread
As for anyone talking about S.H.I.E.L.D's connection to the MCU - it has been massively diminishing with each season, the first season had that huge tie-in with WS, but since then it's basically a "yeah this happened, now we are here in the aftermath... ok onward we go"
Even Ant-Man had a different version of Hydra than we are seeing in Shield, which wouldn't surprise me if the Hydra we saw in Ant-Man is the one that shows back up in the MCU, not the Shield one.
That being said, Shield is more connected to the movie world, but Joss was also the main guy behind some of the movies and the show, now he's not connected to anything but the show for the foreseeable future, so he's going to focus on the show, and I think we see more and more separation from SHIELD and the MCU, at least until the show is cancelled, or Inhumans is released.
ETA: I think the next big crossover with Shield and the MCU will be the reveal of Coulson being alive (which could, not surprisingly be, when the show is cancelled... or InHumans is released
)This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/7/15 at 12:33 pm to BaddestAndvari
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Even Ant-Man had a different version of Hydra than we are seeing in Shield, which wouldn't surprise me if the Hydra we saw in Ant-Man is the one that shows back up in the MCU, not the Shield one.
The location of the Loki's scepter was found by Coulson hunting down Hydra, which is how the Avengers found it in Age of Ultron.
What version did you see in Ant-Man? Sure it seems like another head of Hydra, but the Hydra that seems to be forming in AOS might be doing something much bigger, which we will find out more on Tuesday.
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