re: Avenger: AoU Reviews (**MAJOR SPOILERS**)

No disagreements with what you're saying

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Just enough jokes to keep it light

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I read on here people saying there were too many forced jokes, so I had that in my head while watching. But the comic stuff didn't bother me.

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(although with some sometimes too obvious CGI, but them's the breaks to get a real Cap flying around).

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I could tell a lot of the CGI, but it only bothers me a lot when it's a person like Ironfoot in The Hobbit. When they took off with the trailer that had Vision in it I thought for some reason that looked real.

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2) Vision was fantastic. Really enjoyed Bettany, although they should probably be more clear about just what he can do

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I thought that too. I've never read comics, so I wiki a ton of stuff to find out. Which is fun to do. He looked at Thor, and then grew a cape, and I thought "wow, what else can he do?"

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3) Thor- WTF? (High hopes now for extended. Although I have my doubts.)

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I'm really interested in him because ever since Thor 1 he's grown up and seems to know what's best and has a lot of power. He should be a bigger presence, or at least we should know/see more of what he's doing.

I liked this Quicksilver better than the other one even though I liked the other one. Maybe the other one can be better because he was just a teenager. This one went through some shite. I did think after all the things you see him do he'd be too badass to die the way he did.

I liked the movie better than the first. I think it coulda been 15 minutes longer.

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I also want to add that damn, this movie had a ton of destruction. I couldn't help but think about all the criticisms that MOS received. Will those same posters criticize this film? Or is it simply ok for the avengers to obliterate a city? Can someone explain this one to me (and not you freauxzen )

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unlike MOS they made it a big deal to evacuate the city and it's Eastern european, who cares about them.

Everyone keeps talking about the Director's cut. Which btw, does sound amazing. My question is, anyone else find it insulting that they do with kind of stuff? It is like they think that they have to take care of us by not forcing us to sit in a movie theater too long. We want to watch the movie the way it is supposed to be, the way it was written. Give us that movie! Overseas markets for it, at least, they got more than we did.

Why cants we haz?!

Who makes the decision that the movie can't be 3 hours? The studio? Theater contracts? Some woman throwing beads over a blanket and reading an exec's future earnings from the blue one with the red tinge that is shaped like a tooth?

Is it simply to allow staggered movie times without throwing off the average theater's nightly show times? When I was at Carmike there was a strange science behind movie scheduling, and each theater schedules the week for themselves. It isn't a corporate mandate. It is complicated stuff scheduling a stream of human walkers, for an hour and a half stream of concession revenue, by using staggered start times. Then having that schedule fully repeat itself 3 or 4 times on a weekend night.

Or is it to make sure you get as many people in as you can over a weekend? Because 3 hours vs 2 hours means less tickets sold due to fewer overall viewings available. Except with a movie like AoU every theater would pay the licensing to have it in an extra house. Therebye increasing revenue over all, or at least breaking even, while still selling the product as was originally intended.

The last 3 hour movie I watched in a movie theater was.....Return of the King I think. It was incredibly successful, while not trying to squish and hyper edit everything into a suit 1.5 sizes too small.

Oh wait, I forgot. It is to increase Blu Ray, DD, and DVD sales after it is out of theater's. Oh, you wanted too see that? Toooooooooooo bad.

Would like to point out the RoTK still had an even longer director's, so they had it both ways.

Edit: This is just for good measure. I want someone to have a conversation breaking down that damned AI with me. Outside of Hulk smash. It was the part that interested me the most. Not sure if y'all get that from my posts in this thread. Mentioned it once, or twice, or....I dunno, 15 times.

Movie studios want their movies under 3 hours to maximize available showtimes.

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What exactly do you want to talk about in terms of the AI? I thought it was fairly cut and dry?

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This is an amalgamation re-posting of my maniacal ranting from earlier on the AI. It is a twisty, rambling thing this. I was trying to make it all fit into one stream lined thought process, but I was only able to flesh out a few things how I wanted. Problem is that as of right this second, I haven't slept in roughly....42 hours. Seriously, I am not kidding. I am shocked at my current awareness, as abysmal as it is. I feel like this didn't come together at all though. Nothing was as concise and neat as I would like. My logic generator is shutting down and I had a lot of trouble piecing all of my thoughts from earlier together coherently. Should have simply told you to go back and read all of my posts on it. To say my world is hazy right now is a massive understatement. I'll try and clean it up when I awake.....next weekend or so.

Wish SW would have told them what she knew about the work HYDRA was doing on the scepter. How did they know what to look for without Stark's hologram tech? It wasn't the gem HYDRA was after, I am 99% sure they didn't know it was there. Hell, Thor didn't know it was there. Scarlet Witch somehow knew/hoped what Stark would do with it based on his motivations and what she knew of HYDRA's work. Whatever she needed/wanted him to do was part of what HYDRA was working on. If you look when Stark is walking through the warehouse toward the scepter at the beginning, there are half built robots everywhere. Which later became the beginning of Ultron's army. They knew it was an AI. None of this was ever explained or expounded on in the 2 hour version. What was her original plan? What did she want Stark to find. I'll come back to this thought in a bit, but I want to drop it here. Abell brought up how he thought the witch implied that the scepter would control Stark. Where I thought she meant fear. I am starting to think he was right. Just keep reading this monstrosity.

The AI copied itself to create Ultron. It didn't leave the Scepter, it is still there post Ultron's creation. Which tells me that it still had a plan or protocol. It is possible the plan was to control the new AI, or fully download itself. So it could destroy the earth and return the stone to Thanos. Which the movie implies that Stark's tech was the only thing on the planet that was powerful enough to handle his programming. This also became its downfall. What became Ultron was a originally supposed to be a tool, but changed with his interaction with Jarvis. When he kept talking about strings, Ultron could have been referring to either, or both, the AI around the stone and Thanos. As well as humanity's compassion.

Next we come to this. How could Ultron use the scepter as a non human without a brain to guide thoughts? I had 2 ideas to hash this out from my end.

1)By using the part of him copied from the AI, when touching the scepter, to interact with the original AI via the scepter's interface/handle...thing, whatever.

2)The other idea is that he is only under the illusion he can use it, when in fact he isn't controlling anyone, but something else is. We can make this leap because the Gem and SW are in the same realm of powers. She cant read Ultron's mind because he was a non flesh entity, which also means he cannot project thought to control someones will. So how did he control another human? The AI went along with the plan because it saw that it would bring about the Earth's destruction.

Now back to what Abell thought the scepter was doing regarding Tony. If so, it is in control of the stone, itself, and the scepter. Which even if Abell wasn't right, sure does seem likely from a logical standpoint. I am really starting to believe the AI was controlling Loki and everyone else affected by the scepter in Avengers one. Loki was more mentally damaged than Stark was, if that was the main specification for control as SW implied. Why would Thanos hand over an infinite stone to a petulant child? He wouldn't care that the child didn't know it was there, he wouldn't leave something like an infinite stone, especially the mind stone, up to the whim of a arrogant spoiled brat of a trickster, unless he was in control at all times.

This all comes together on 2 things. A) It is the Mind stone B) When Tony and Bruce observe the AI they describe it as a living being.

Basically, my theory is that the AI allows the holder of the scepter an illusion of control as long as that user's actions fits Thanos' plan. It is what actually controls minds, including the users if need be.

All of this also begs the question. Why couldn't Ultron, a bastardized copy of the AI using the gem, use it before building the Vision body? He didn't need the gem to power it, but enhance it. Or so they would have you think. He didn't need the gem for the body, He needed the body to control the gem. He knew his origin, his "father AI" was living, but he wasn't. It has neuropathways whereas Ultron has hardware, but Ultron wanted the power of the stone for himself.

Btw, having come through all that, and having seen the SW know and reverse the scepters effect. We can make this conclusion(85% sure). She knew the whole time what the scepter was, what it was doing, and what she wanted to use it for. To kill Tony Stark. Which if I were her, another soul would never find out everything I knew.

Second to last. If she said it, meaning the scepter, would control Tony. It creates another implication. A bigger one for the future. When Tony insisted on finishing Vision despite the the circumstances. It was the same as when he went after building Ultron. This probably means the blight from the scepter will be staying with Tony more permanently than normal, Impacting the Civil War.

One last point, yes for full mind control the scepter has had to be touched to someone's heart. However Tony wasn't completely controlled, he was influenced. Loki on the other hand was always holding the scepter.

So once again, what the frick was that AI, and what is/was its source for living artificial intelligence? Are there more of them.....?

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I don't know much about comics, so I'm gonna sound like an idiot with the following...

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Once Vision awakens and is alive, i thought he was going to be a complete, absolute complete badass.

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So the first question, would be why? They don't really say he'll be super powerful, just that they need him against Ultron.

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Turns out, he only kinda is? I guess in my mind, he/it should have been better. I mean, he's got a fricking mind stone on his fricking forehead.

I dunno, I guess I expected more.

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He seemed to use his real power only once..... so it was more of a taste.

When they were making him they said he would be the most powerful thing ever created.. Or something along those lines. They definitely said something like that. It wasn't just "hey this dude will be pretty tough and I think he might be able to beat ultron"

They played him up to be super bad arse and when him and ultron first attack it looks like he's destroying ultron from the inside out but then ultron suddenly chokes him out and throws him against a wall and that's the last we see of vision for the next 5-10 minutes of the fight

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When they were making him they said he would be the most powerful thing ever created.. Or something along those lines. They definitely said something like that. It wasn't just "hey this dude will be pretty tough and I think he might be able to beat ultron"

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I took it as most advanced, not powerful as in "can challenge anyone and win," kind of powerful.

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They played him up to be super bad arse and when him and ultron first attack it looks like he's destroying ultron from the inside out but then ultron suddenly chokes him out and throws him against a wall and that's the last we see of vision for the next 5-10 minutes of the fight

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1. He's a child, he's JUST learning how to live, breath, fight (like I said he doesn't even utilize his main powers)

2. All he knows right now is really how to beat Ultron, that's what he was brought to life to do, that's where he started. He'll get more powerful.

3. He exiles Ultron from the internet, that takes awhile. He has to erase every trace of him.


I really, really hope we get Vision in future movies. Like way more of Vision.

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Why do I get the feeling that Thanos will rip the mind stone out of his head.

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Lobotomy

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because you are into ripping things out of heads?

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Show me. Don't tell me.

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how about you use your brain?

everything doesnt need to be spelled out ya know