re: Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix is great if you are history buff

What Was The First Skyscraper? The Home Life Insurance Building has the distinction of being the first skyscraper. It was completed in 1885, and was the first building built whose entire weight was supported with an iron frame.

That was 137 years ago....

Wouldn’t the existence of these finds validate Grahams claim that we’re missing large portions of our history. GT is proof of a civilization that predates Mesopotamia - supposedly the beginning of civilization - by 4,000 years.

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Is an actual geologist too

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Wouldn’t the existence of these finds validate Grahams claim that we’re missing large portions of our history.

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No one disputes the age of GT. Graham's claim is that there was a global civilization that was 'wiped out' by a cataclysm. The research does not bare that out. The temperature and sea level changes, though probably precipitated by an asteroid impact, occurred over the course of decades to centuries, not overnight.

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a civilization that predates Mesopotamia - supposedly the beginning of civilization - by 4,000 years.

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So GT is much older than other sites. What Graham theory does that prove?

Research is not clear on what happened between the time of GT and the earliest Mesopotamian cities (though the age of places like Jericho and Uruk keeps getting pushed back), but nothing backs up Graham's claims of a larger, global network.

The similarities between cultures that he points out are proven to have happened thousands of years apart, in some cases. How are statues in Easter Island and statues in SE Asia proof of a connected culture if they were carved 2500 years apart?

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So GT is much older than other sites. What Graham theory does that prove?

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His broader argument is that modern archaeology shouldn’t be so dismissive of theories that fall outside of conventional thinking.

Prior to GT and other discoveries in the region, traditional archaeologists would not consider any discussions about earlier civilizations. Now they’re forced to due to the discovery of GT. This isn’t a prediluvian civilization but is closer and far earlier than the accepted timeline. Also, the scope of these constructions point to something more than the work of tribes of hunter gatherers.

Don’t you find it at least curious that the timing of the younger dryas comet theory corresponds precisely with the time told to Solon by Egyptian priests when Atlantis was destroyed by an ocean catastrophe?

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His broader argument is that modern archaeology shouldn’t be so dismissive of theories that fall outside of conventional thinking.

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Okay, but that doesn't by extension prove any of Graham's 'alternate history' theories. I've been listening to these people for a long time. UnchartedX, Ancient Aliens, Hancock, Foerster, Jimmy from Bright Insight, etc. I even went to AlienCon 2019 in Dallas. None of this stuff is new. He's just taken the supernatural elements out and repackaged it in a new format for streaming.

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This isn’t a prediluvian civilization

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Yes it is. The earliest settlements of Tas Tepeler do predate the Younger Dryas by quite a bit, including Kortik Tepe, the entire 500-1000 year timeline of which, from beginning to end, predates Gobekli Tepe.

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Also, the scope of these constructions point to something more than the work of tribes of hunter gatherers.

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Why? With GT, you're talking about a site that was the culmination of millennia of development, beginning with simple circular enclosures before gradually progressing to megalithic stone structures. Also, there is evidence of a combination of cultures. Human remains at various sites have been shown to have DNA that originated in the Siberian region. That's pretty fascinating in itself and is the product of actual research, not the theories of a self-proclaimed 'journalist.'

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told to Solon by Egyptian priests

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My problem is that this is the only historical source of information on Atlantis. I wouldn't discount it being based on some actual history, but Plato is the only historical figure who's ever talked about it. However, Plato also went into a lot of great detail, and nothing about GT or its technology/style lines up with those details.

I'm open to a lot of theories, but as of now, no actual research backs them up. If you want to go root around the Richat structure looking for Atlantis, be my guest, but GT and Tas Tepeler do not line up with Plato or Solon.

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oldest Tas Tepler sites are 10,000 BC

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No, the pre-pottery Neolithic begins in 10,000 BC, and that marker has to do with agriculture. Human habitation in the area predates that, with well-developed sites that featured stone enclosures.

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any megalithic sites

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seem to have come out of this period. The asteroid/comet impact would have occurred almost 1000 years before the oldest known megalithic site. So it can't be said they are a direct result of an impact

No one denies that there was an impact, nor that this caused a shift in temps and sea levels, though those shifts occurred over 50-100 years. How does any of that prove anything Hancock has said?

It's just stoner science.

I watched about twenty minutes of Indonesia. It’s kind of neat. But I lost interest pretty early on in his rant.

If he’s trying to say that there are multiple sites where pre-Sumerian “civilizations” may have sprung up for a couple of hundred years and then gone away, fine. It sounds like he’s trying to say that there was some sort of global interconnectivity before then. I’m not buying that just from some cool and ancient sites.

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When he refers to advanced civilizations. . .he means for their time. Maybe they, for example, had developed concrete or rode horses.

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In a general sense, yes. But listening to the JRE episode, he has a theory that the pyramids were built using sound waves. That's more advanced than our current time and yes, kinda nutty.

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If he’s trying to say that there are multiple sites where pre-Sumerian “civilizations” may have sprung up for a couple of hundred years and then gone away, fine. It sounds like he’s trying to say that there was some sort of global interconnectivity before then. I’m not buying that just from some cool and ancient sites.

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I think the theory is more of a lost civilization existing during the last ice age that had knowledge of construction, architecture, astronomy, etc. beyond that of other hunter-gatherer societies of the time. This lost civilization's home country was probably pressured and destroyed over time by cataclysmic events which forced the people into a sort of prehistoric diaspora. This lost civilization's diaspora then becomes the common thread around the world in oral traditions of how civilizing knowledge was bestowed upon different societies and then explains why we see the same or similar developments around the world.