re: Ancient Apocalypse on Netflix is great if you are history buff

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Graham doesn't present any claims of Ancient Aliens, so I don't know what you're talking about.

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I never said he did. That was just a list of people/groups that advocate the lost civilization theory.

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What's 'wrong' about Gobekli Tepe, which was recently discovered, and predates the Giza Pyramids?

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Huh? It is often cited by the above people as a piece of a lost civilization, destroyed by a global cataclysm. It isn't. The entire evolution of that style and culture of stone building is present in the multiple sites that have been discovered. These sites were constructed over a period that both predates the Younger Dryas and runs through its entire time period.

And it wasn't recently discovered. It was discovered almost 30 years ago.

Furthermore, there was no sudden drop in temps or sudden sea rises at other times. Those changes are proven tp have happened over the course of centuries, which is rapid in a geological sense but not in a human one.

There are many interesting things about the Tas Tepeler region, such as the human remains discovered having partially Siberian DNA, but it's not 'left over' from some global civilization. The area is, from the looks of things, the beginning of megalithic building.

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Graham and myself.

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Are you guys close?

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And why was it buried? Who would go to all that trouble, and why?

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Because they were already caving in. It's been determined that they weren't completely, intentionally buried. They filled in partially, naturally through landslides and were then filled completely, suggesting that the sites were being abandoned.

There is evidence that landslides were a frequent problem, and there are even retaining walls in some enclosures that were made to combat this.

Again, this whole progression of sites in the Tas Tepeler area begins with very proto-stage structures that were made before the time of the Younger Dryas and continued to develop all through and after the ice age period of about 1200 years. It's not 'left over' from a larger network of societies. The progression of sophistication is clear and is unique to the area.

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That's the debate then, the lack of a progression of sophistication. There isn't one. Not in G. Tepe

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Yes there is. Clearly. After which they were abandoned, likely because of the landslides that kept filling in the enclosures.

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eta: just read the thread, my bad

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Theories surrounding ancient ruins, the age of the Sphynx, sudden climate catastrophe, etc. melt away in the face of the actual research.

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Younger Dryas Impact theory has evidence, now that 2 impacts were discovered.

Not absolute proof, no. But it makes the hypothesis more viable, that evidence was found where they predicted it would be found.

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Gobekli Tepe

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Is irrefutable proof that massive architectural projects were completed thousands of years before Archaeologists previously believe.

Not sure what you are arguing here.

G. Tepe isn't exactly situated at the base of a large mountain, is it? I mean gradual filling would make more sense than a colossal endeavor to fill in and cover it up by hand.

But that's a side issue. Point is, it's older than the Pyramids, and I just don't see how a hunter/gatherer group could one day decide it's gonna build massive megalithic structures. When no one had done so before.

Oh, damn. Well thanks for clearing that up Rodda.

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G. Tepe isn't exactly situated at the base of a large mountain, is it? I mean gradual filling would make more sense than a colossal endeavor to fill in and cover it up by hand.

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It's not my opinion. It's a fact that they had to deal with landslides all the time. The soil was analyzed and it was found that enclosures filled in naturally and were then completely filled in afterward by humans. The several retaining wall structures further prove that there were landslides/cave-ins. That's not me saying that. It's the archeologists excavating it who are doing so. This is why you should follow the latest research, as it's very much ongoing.

This would all be clear if people followed the research, but they don't. They'd rather listen to Graham Hancock's bullshite. He's really good at getting ignorant people to buy his books. One of his and others' main schtick seems to be that the scientific community ignores him because his theories are too far fetched and against their precious orthodoxy. But the truth is that they never say 'we're not listening to you because we were taught different.' It's more like 'here's why you're wrong, now leave us alone.'

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I just don't see how a hunter/gatherer group could one day decide it's gonna build massive megalithic structures.

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They didn't. There is a clear evolution of sophistication at multiple sites that go back to a time frame that takes up more than 2000 years. This includes the oldest known use and possible origin of megalithic building, Boncuklu Tarla, which is 500-1000 years older that GT. Note the proto-similarities in style, with not only the stacked rock enclosure walls but also the shape and placement of the lone megalithic pillar. The t-shape had not come into use yet, but the thin, tapering shape of the stone is the same.



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