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All the Bran hate is intellectually dishonest

Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:18 am
Posted by rebeloke
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:18 am
It is a case of projecting on to a character the frustration of the overall climax of the series. It might be a case of carryover from his childhood personality. But it is not fair to the level he attained as the 3ER. His story is compelling for many reasons.

He survived the fall
He became the 3ER
He became the ruler of the 6 realms

Questions remain:
How long will he live?
What will he do with the dragon?
What will the world look like after his rule?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:20 am to
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It is a case of projecting on to a character the frustration of the overall climax of the series


OR it's acknowledgement that Bran being king is laughably stupid.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:20 am to
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All the Bran hate is intellectually dishonest


No it's not.

How many times through the show did we hear "I am not Bran" or "I cannot be Lord of anything for I am the Three Eyed Raven".

A guy who refused to tell people anything about the future, is now the king of 6 realms, and will suddenly start talking about everything?

And he lets his sister remain independent while the other realms are ruled by him, without any push back from those realms?
Posted by TigerMan327
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:23 am to
Bran becoming king makes sense. He's the 3ER. He should\would be the best king.

The only issue is they didn't develop his character at all. He was missing for an entire season. Then after he finally got his abilities the only powerful scene he had was when he, in a sense, went into the past and turned Hodor into a potato and therefore killed Hodor by "holding the door".

Ever since then he has done nothing besides act creepy and say weird shite. He Wargs into Ravens\crows randomly. Get's no information. Shares nothing with anyone.

He should be basically a god figure full of knowledge but instead he just chills in his wheel chair and reaps all the rewards at the end.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
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Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:25 am to
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Bran becoming king makes sense. He's the 3ER. He should\would be the best king.

The only issue is they didn't develop his character at all. He was missing for an entire season. Then after he finally got his abilities the only powerful scene he had was when he, in a sense, went into the past and turned Hodor into a potato and therefore killed Hodor by "holding the door".

Ever since then he has done nothing besides act creepy and say weird shite. He Wargs into Ravens\crows randomly. Get's no information. Shares nothing with anyone.

He should be basically a god figure full of knowledge but instead he just chills in his wheel chair and reaps all the rewards at the end.


the development of his character was dogshit later in the series. The fact that they completely omitted him from Season 5 was ok with me at the time due to his character not really doing much of anything. Now that seems like a big mistake. Could have done some serious development with an extra season's worth of time dedicated to him.
Posted by 615tider
sidewalk in TN
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:26 am to
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How many times through the show did we hear "I am not Bran" or "I cannot be Lord of anything for I am the Three Eyed Raven".


This damn it. I wouldn't care if he hadn't turned into a cyborg with no emotions.
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:33 am to
You are way over thinking it. It was dumb because Bran being the king and how they treated it with the little dialogue he had was done as poorly as humanly possible.
The absolute worst series finale and final season in popular television series history.

It was complete crap.
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:37 am to
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All the Bran hate is intellectually dishonest






Who’s being intellectually dishonest?



This is what frustrates me about those defending the ending by trying to shrug it off as just not getting what we “wanted”.

I don’t know that I’ve ever been more angry in reading or watching a work of fiction than I was when I read the books. On multiple occasions.


Ned’s death upset me for days.

The Red Wedding was another gut punch that made me put the book down and take s break.

Even Oberyn or Drogo’s deaths were infuriating in the execution.

Not to mention Jon’s death, which is where the last book left off.


But all of those rejections of what we “want” to happen as readers or viewers is what made the series so compelling and ultimately satisfying.

Because all of those felt real and true to the world we are immersed in.


The final few episodes simply didn’t deliver that kind of logical progression that we can understand and respect, even if it isn’t what we necessarily “want”.

Getting what we “want” had never been the draw to this series. But logic and executing a vision that was plotted out genuinely has been.


I don’t even doubt that this is the ending GRRM outlined for the show runners. I also have no doubt that this same ending will be much more satisfying if he ever finishes the books because it will be set up and executed over dozens of chapters and thousands of pages in multiple books.

These seeds should have been planted seasons ago with much more clarity to a long term vision by the showrunners and it simply wasn’t.


That is what is so frustrating.



ETA: And ti give credit where it’s due, the showrunners have the capacity to do it properly. We’ve seen it with the destruction of the Sept.

That was a perfectly executed and set up moment that no one saw coming or “wanted”, but it was one of the best episodes of television ever filmed imo.

And that wasn’t from source material, as it is beyond where the books have reached at this point.

They can do it. For whatever reason they simply didn’t earn this ending, pretty much since that episode.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:02 am
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:40 am to
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All the Bran hate is intellectually dishonest



Only if you accept that he is the main villain of the show. He sat idly by and let the night king & white walkers almost destroy the north instead of actually helping. He then didn't warn anyone about Dany losing her shite and killing about a million innocent people. He did all of this for his own benefit. The writers should have ended the show with Bran being crowned King, standing up and then walking start barking orders like the homicidal maniac that he apparently is.
Posted by 615tider
sidewalk in TN
Member since Oct 2012
3846 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:42 am to
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The absolute worst series finale

Posted by Ooh Wee Ooh
Member since Nov 2008
1519 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:43 am to
Bran is the worst. End of season 7 he tells Sam that they MUST tell Jon who his parents are. He knew damn well that it would eventually turn Danny into the Mad Queen killing thousands of innocents, force Jon to kill her, and then be sentenced to live north of the wall. All of this so that he could be King.

If Bran never tells Jon who his parents are, Jon and Danny get married and most likely have a happy ending.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:47 am to
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rebeloke


I couldn't think of a worse person to discuss game of thrones with
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
23838 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:47 am to
He had no claim to the throne.

In the last 15 minutes of an 8-season series, the writers decided to change the rules that had governed that world, on a whim, so the king could be voted in, and then still chose a poor candidate.

I see the downvotes, and maybe those people don't understand that everything that happened in the entire 8-season run until the meeting of the heads of the houses in the last episode, was in response to challenges to the rules of succession. All the wars and loss of life. So in response everybody involved just agreed to drop the rules of succession? No.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:55 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60899 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:57 am to
Bran being king only makes sense if you realize it was his plan all along

1. Pretends like he doesn’t want it. Everyone drops their guard.
2. Sets things in motion for the world to crumble. Gives Arya the dagger, pushes for Jon’s lineage to come out in order to crack Dany, doesn’t warn Dany of any dangers, nor anyone else, sees a vision of KL being destroyed and lets it happen.
3. Sits back and lets it crumble
4. Then when all options are limited - takes the throne

It really only makes sense if we take into consideration that he DID use his powers to manipulate and become king this whole time.

And that he is really the villian allowing millions to die so he could rule.

That’s my final interpretation.

We actually complained that he never warned people or said anything useful. It seems obvious that was intentional.

“Why do you think I came all this way?”
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:03 am
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
40921 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 8:59 am to
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And that he is really the villian allowing millions to die so he could rule.



Yep. Only problem is they did a terrible job fleshing that out. I agree with your take on it, it is mine as well. They just wrote it so poorly.

It really adds even more weight to what he did to Hodor. Truly cold blooded.
Posted by Nguyener
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:03 am to
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The writers should have ended the show with Bran being crowned King, standing up and then walking


Nah. It would be more in line with his character to be shown river dancing in his room alone and then calling out to a servent to push his wheelchair around.
Posted by wareaglepete
Union of Soviet Auburn Republics
Member since Dec 2012
18450 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:05 am to
All they had to do was show him with glowing blue eyes at the very end and it is a much better ending.
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60899 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:08 am to
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All they had to do was show him with glowing blue eyes at the very end and it is a much better ending.


That wouldn’t make sense.

Having him tell everyone to clear his personal chambers and then stand up looking out the window over KL would have been perfect.

It was a war between the 3ER and the NK and the 3ER finally outsmarted him, using peons and pawns to do it.

Adding that, and having Jon get the throne and reject it, after executing Grey Worm would have been my main two changes to the finale
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:10 am
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:09 am to
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All they had to do was show him with glowing blue eyes at the very end and it is a much better ending.


As someone else said, it would've been a better ending to see Jon walk out beyond the wall and see an army of the undead. They surround and kill him and everyone he's with.

Cut to Bran in his wheelchair in the iron throne room with his eyes blue. Cut to black. Credits roll.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 9:13 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79355 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 9:09 am to
Um what? He was better as a kid before he had the personality of a piece of wood.

He became the 3ER.

Cool, that hasn’t proven useful as all. His claim to gain prior to being made king was being bait.

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