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re: A question after finishing A Dance with Dragons (Spoilers)

Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:45 pm to
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:45 pm to
He appears to be the alchemist in the prologue of AFFC and then Pate the Pig Boy later in the book but its never stated right out.
Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:45 pm to
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Because I don't want to see incest in a fantasy series


well yea
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 3:54 pm to
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well yea


fair enough!
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 4:32 pm to
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Posted by Message shinerfan A question after finishing A Dance with Dragons (Spoilers) He appears to be the alchemist in the prologue of AFFC and then Pate the Pig Boy later in the book but its never stated right out.


Grrm never states anything outright
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 5:25 pm to
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Help me out here... Where is Jaqen? My memory is really failing me or I glossed over it in the book.



Yeah, as mentioned, in the prologue of AFFC the young guy Pate is killed by a mysterious person who is bribing him with a gold coin. When he asks to see the guys face, the description of the mysterious person fits the description of Jaqen after he changes his face in front of Arya exactly.

Later in that same book Sam meets Pate in the Citadel, so Pate has clearly been replaced by a Faceless Man. And given the description of the Faceless Man before he changes into Pate it's Jaqen.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 6:16 pm to
Well I'll be a son of a bitch, I missed that somewhere.
Posted by ATLienTiger
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 7:15 pm to
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Well I'll be a son of a bitch, I missed that somewhere


I've discussed most of this stuff for 5 years, in some cases longer. I used to be a long time member of Westeros before they went through multiple board updates/relocations. None of these theories are new to me, except for the ADWD stuff.

I rushed through that and have yet to re-read, but I am enjoying all the theories and debate on that novel. I always do enjoy reading a member's reaction finding out something new, just missing the hints in the books.
Posted by lsufan251875
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 7:19 pm to
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Well I'll be a son of a bitch, I missed that somewhere.


It's not easy to catch. You have to be able to remember specific descriptions that Martin makes books before:

The Alchemist:

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A young mans face, ordinary, with full cheeks and the shadow of a beard. A scar showed faintly on his right cheek. He had a hooked nose, and a mat of dense black hair that curled tightly around his ears


Jaqen:

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Jaqen passed a hand down his face from forehead to chin, and where it went he changed. His cheeks grew fuller, his eyes closer; his nose hooked, a scar appeared on his right cheek where no scar had been before. And when he shook his head, his long straight hair, half red and half white, dissolved away to reveal a cap of tight black curls
Posted by John McClane
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 7:35 pm to
Good lord. I would have never caught that. Ok, time to re-read.....carefully.
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 7:46 pm to
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I've discussed most of this stuff for 5 years, in some cases longer. I used to be a long time member of Westeros before they went through multiple board updates/relocations. None of these theories are new to me, except for the ADWD stuff.



Yeah, 11 years or so since ASOS and 6 or so since AFFC leaves alot of time for rereads and discussing things on Westeros and with friends. Still fun to discuss all the theories.
Posted by Screamer
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 8:40 pm to
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Especially now that Jaqen is there for some odd reason. What the hell does that guy have up his sleeve?


Maesters soup?
Posted by Zephyrius
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:08 pm to
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Good lord. I would have never caught that. Ok, time to re-read.....carefully.
Posted by auburn32
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 9:02 pm to
Just finished DwD, and finally understand the whole R+L=J

Something I saw in the book that I am sure has been discussed somewhere, but Jon Connington seemed to be very friendly with Rheagar. Maybe Jon's namesake?
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 9:28 pm to
Interesting. Could be.
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 10:10 pm to
i think Ned named him, iirc.
Posted by auburn32
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 11:05 pm to
Now that I think about it again, your probably right. After Jon Arryn.
Posted by CottonWasKing
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Posted on 6/14/12 at 11:47 pm to
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Now that I think about it again, your probably right. After Jon Arryn.




That would be correct. Hes named after the cool Jon not the douche canoe connington
Posted by MediTiger
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Posted on 6/15/12 at 11:31 pm to
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I'm holding out for a Jon and Val hookup. That along with an Arya and Gendry hookup. Both would make me happy.


All this shipping and no San/San reference? For shame.
Posted by MediTiger
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Posted on 6/15/12 at 11:35 pm to
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Yeah, 11 years or so since ASOS and 6 or so since AFFC leaves alot of time for rereads and discussing things on Westeros and with friends. Still fun to discuss all the theories.


You know you are truly hooked when you find yourself at a bar in a heated argument with your brother about who is to blame for starting the war of 5 kings. Good times.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 6/16/12 at 12:00 am to
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All this shipping and no San/San reference? For shame.


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