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re: ‘A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms’ Begins Filming
Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:04 am to Boodis Man
Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:04 am to Boodis Man
quote:Does this story more just follow the "common folk" in that world than the groups fighting for the throne?
The source material is way more interesting with more depth than hotd
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Posted on 6/20/24 at 9:18 am to StrongOffer
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Does this story more just follow the "common folk" in that world than the groups fighting for the throne?
It follows a common born, landless hedge knight as he kind of accidentally works his way up the ranks by being a decent fighter but a great all around dude.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:51 am to DestrehanTiger
quote:Oh, no doubt, The mad king was mad, but the rebellion was all put into motion by Robert's ego. Had he blown off the Lyanna marriage, Rhaegar would likely have ousted his father (as was the plan at Harrenhall), taken over and been a way better king.
You left out the part about the King roasting alive the Warden of the North while his heir is strangled to death trying to save him.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 11:59 am to blueboy
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Oh, no doubt, The mad king was mad, but the rebellion was all put into motion by Robert's ego. Had he blown off the Lyanna marriage, Rhaegar would likely have ousted his father (as was the plan at Harrenhall), taken over and been a way better king
I disagree. Regardless if Lyanna loved Robert or not, she was betrothed to him. That's a pact between two of the most powerful houses in Westeros. Also, the Starks didn't go go King's Landing on behalf of Robert; they went because they believed Rhaegar abducted Lyanna. Yeah, Robert's ego played a part, but a large reason he became the King is because of his Targaryen blood.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:07 pm to DestrehanTiger
quote:She didn't want to be betrothed to him. Can't say I blame her. He turned out to be a lecher who had 4 times as many bastards as he did legit children.
she was betrothed to him.
quote:And a large part of his not being king anymore was his blood alcohol content.
but a large reason he became the King is because of his Targaryen blood.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:15 pm to blueboy
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Oh, no doubt, The mad king was mad, but the rebellion was all put into motion by Robert's ego. Had he blown off the Lyanna marriage, Rhaegar would likely have ousted his father (as was the plan at Harrenhall), taken over and been a way better king.
The Mad King roasted Ned Starks dad and brother who came to get Lyanna… They were under the impression she was kidnapped.
You don’t just run off with someone and not tell everyone it’s consentual. He didn’t go and ask Lyanna’s father to marry him or get a divorce from his first wife and offer Robert a chunk of land or something in exchange.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 12:30 pm to blueboy
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She didn't want to be betrothed to him
Not here to argue what's right and wrong morally but whether or not she wanted to be betrothed to Robert doesn't matter at all. She knew her duty and ran away with another man anyway. Since her romance with Rhaeghar was a secret, the family had to assume she was kidnapped.
On top of that, Rhaegar was already married with children so lets not act like he was some morally upstanding husband.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:25 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:I'm not. I just don't think Robert is a heroic or admirable character, or was intended to be. Stannis gets a lot of love as well, even though he's clearly written to be a stuffy boy scout whose virtues are undone by the fact that he basically worships the devil. But thrones bros still jizz out over him.
On top of that, Rhaegar was already married with children so lets not act like he was some morally upstanding husband.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:46 pm to blueboy
I think you’d find a hard time finding a morally upstanding character in GoT that lives very long outside of maybe John Snow. Robert isn’t necessarily a hero but he’s not really a villain either. If he was, he’d have taken more advantage of being king. Sure he was a lousy king that just liked to drink and frick women who weren’t his wife but he wasn’t killing people for no reason either.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 1:59 pm to blueboy
that’s kinda all besides the point. Rhaegar abducted a noblewoman, gave no explanation and then his father burnt the woman’s dad and brother alive when they asked she be returned.
Didn’t they have to come down from Winterfell? That probably should have given Rhaegar a few days to send a raven explaining the situation
blaming it on Robert’s refusal to just give up the betrothal assumes a lot of knowledge that Robert and the Starks didn’t have.
Robert went to his grave thinking Lyanna was abducted.
Didn’t they have to come down from Winterfell? That probably should have given Rhaegar a few days to send a raven explaining the situation
blaming it on Robert’s refusal to just give up the betrothal assumes a lot of knowledge that Robert and the Starks didn’t have.
Robert went to his grave thinking Lyanna was abducted.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 2:09 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I think you’d find a hard time finding a morally upstanding character in GoT that lives very long outside of maybe John Snow.
Aemon?
If we use HOTD F&B we have Vicerys
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:09 pm to Corinthians420
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Aemon?
From what I know of him He sherked his duty to be king and ran away to the Maesters. Good person? Yes. Hero? No way.
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If we use HOTD F&B we have Vicerys
Another good person but Kind of a push over and his inability to control those closest to him (albeit due to health concerns) created the Dance.
My point being that bad/flawed people make moves while good people tend to either be killed, pushed out of the way, or taken advantage of. John Snow being the only true "Good Hero". But even he banged his aunt and helped empower her to kill innocent people for seemingly no reason at all.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:28 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I refuse to reas ASOIAF because I won't put that much effort into a series that has no ending.
So you won't read a series until the series in complete?
Weird.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:37 pm to DestrehanTiger
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Robert's ego played a part, but a large reason he became the King is because of his Targaryen blood.
This.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:37 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Normally I would agree, but I don’t fault anybody for not reading the series. It’s no longer a question of when it will be completed, but if it will be completed. If GRRM was actually writing books people wouldn’t be so hesitant.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 3:41 pm to Esquire
I found I liked the books less and less. They sorta got a little bloated and the too many characters I didnt care about got POV chapters.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:07 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:No. He was already a maester. He was actually staying true to those vows.
From what I know of him He sherked his duty to be king and ran away to the Maesters
quote:Your criteria didn't specify that they be heroes, which it's hard to be when you're 100 years old and blind.
Good person? Yes. Hero? No way.
I think Robert was an unworthy boob. Get over it.
And you forgot Jeor Mormont.
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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So you won't read a series until the series in complete?
No I won't read a series that don't believe will ever be complete. Its been like 13 years since he has released his last book and he has 2 more to go. GRRM isn't a spring chicken, he will most likely die before the story is finished.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:15 pm to Esquire
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Normally I would agree, but I don’t fault anybody for not reading the series. It’s no longer a question of when it will be completed, but if it will be completed. If GRRM was actually writing books people wouldn’t be so hesitant.
Exactly
Although I will most likely read them eventually.
This post was edited on 6/20/24 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 6/20/24 at 4:17 pm to blueboy
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I think Robert was an unworthy boob. Get over it.
Oh I didn't realize we were in a full debate. I thought we were just having a nice convo about GoT. Like or hate whoever you'd like, doesn't bother me
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