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15 Years Later - Remember the Titans

Posted on 9/7/15 at 11:27 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
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Posted on 9/7/15 at 11:27 pm
This is an off-shoot of the Friday Night Lights discussion a few threads below this one. As a history major, I really hate it when films get it wrong. I don't mind a few minor details here and there for dramatic license. But when a film based on true events looks nothing like what the real life events did, that is when I start having problems.

And this brings me to Remember the Titans, a film that was released 15 years ago. I think all of us have seen it. We know what it's about. But that is not how it happened. Deadspin posted an article last July which really shed light on just how horribly inaccurate the film was.

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In short, there was racial tension in Alexandria in 1971, but not near to the degree as the movie depicts. The schools in that city had been integrated since 1965. The real players on the roster of the 1971 T.C. Williams Titans had been playing on integrated teams since before the merger.

And as for Herman Boone, the head coach of T.C. Williams, the film cast him as a mix between Vince Lombardi and Martin Luther King, Jr. In reality, as his former players point out, he was a real piece of shite. He was eventually forced out of T.C. Williams due to accusations of verbal and physical abuse, the very public defection of several assistant coaches, and a player mutiny.

You really see how shitty Boone is when you compare his interviews from the 70s to the interviews and speaking engagements he gives today.

For instance:

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In an interview with the Washington Post that ran midway through the 1971 season, Boone was asked about the role race played in his selection as head coach. The piece pointed out that Boone had been "one of the most successful" high school head coaches in North Carolina before coming to T.C. as an assistant two years earlier. Yet some folks in Alexandria, the writer noted, were floating rumors that Boone, who is black, got the job "because of his color." Boone pooh-poohed any such talk.

"All I know is that if I were selected for this position solely on the basis of color, I would never have taken the job," Boone said back in the day. "I couldn't sleep at night."

Boone changed his tune pretty quick after the movie's release. During a February 2001 speech for Black History Month at the University of North Carolina, he told the crowd that he had initially turned down the head coaching job at T.C. because, well, he'd gotten the offer because of his color.

"They didn't want me," he said. "They just wanted a black coach." He's been telling audiences he was strictly an affirmative action hire ever since.


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In that same 1971 Post interview, Boone also said that the merger of the three high schools was going smoothly because "the people in this city have really joined in to make this thing [the consolidation] work."

"I get calls before each game from businessmen wishing us well," he said. "After a game, my phone doesn't stop ringing with people offering congratulations. If prejudices are there, the people who hold them should be in Hollywood, Calif., because they're some damn good actors."

But ever since that damn good actor out in Hollywood, Denzel Washington, made him famous, Boone stopped acknowledging the locals who embraced him from the beginning. Speaking to a Dartmouth audience at an MLK birthday event in 2012, Boone instead said that his being named T.C.'s coach spawned such hate that even his family was targeted for violence. "I told my children, who were chased home every day by men riding in trucks who wanted to beat up on them because they were my children, and I said that life is not easy and you will experience adversity," Boone said.
This post was edited on 9/7/15 at 11:30 pm
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:03 am to
Captain Phillips (from Captain Phillips) was also supposedly a huge piece of shite whose crew hated him.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:09 am to
quote:

This is an off-shoot of the Friday Night Lights discussion a few threads below this one.


I don't see this.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:53 am to
Real life Rudy was supposedly a major douche too, but that didn't stop me from enjoying the movie
Posted by RonBurgundy
Whale's Vagina(San Diego)
Member since Oct 2005
13302 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:04 am to
I never cared for Titans thought it was heavy handed crap that was over hyped. I didn't buy that as dialogue between coach and players.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
20466 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 5:53 am to
I was just telling someone this the other day. I guess he lives near me because he's interviewed like once a week on our sports radio and he's very off putting. Not exactly a douche but not likable. He told the story of how he got into Notre dame and his story was like "I was too stupid to go to notre dame so I joined the army and then played at a community college. And then I took joke classes so I made them let me in."
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:01 am to
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I never cared for Titans thought it was heavy handed crap that was over hyped. I didn't buy that as dialogue between coach and players.


I tend to hold the same opinion of this movie. I enjoyed it when I was younger, but as I've aged, I've enjoyed the movie less and less.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
32113 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 7:08 am to
quote:

I never cared for Titans thought it was heavy handed crap that was over hyped. I didn't buy that as dialogue between coach and players.



I never liked it, either.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25910 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 9:44 am to
quote:

You really see how shitty Boone is when you compare his interviews from the 70s to the interviews and speaking engagements he gives today.


I'm not saying he's not making things up in more recent times to go along with what the movie portrayed and to play up tensions, but it is quite possible that back in 1971 he was "censored" from speaking his mind. Maybe he was told to toe a certain line and had to in interviews.

Though, if he was run off and had players mutiny on him, maybe he was/is this piece of shite.
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Member since Feb 2004
156443 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

And this brings me to Remember the Titans, a film that was released 15 years ago. I think all of us have seen it. We know what it's about. But that is not how it happened. Deadspin posted an article last July which really shed light on just how horribly inaccurate the film was.

LINK

In short, there was racial tension in Alexandria in 1971, but not near to the degree as the movie depicts. The schools in that city had been integrated since 1965. The real players on the roster of the 1971 T.C. Williams Titans had been playing on integrated teams since before the merger.

And as for Herman Boone, the head coach of T.C. Williams, the film cast him as a mix between Vince Lombardi and Martin Luther King, Jr. In reality, as his former players point out, he was a real piece of shite. He was eventually forced out of T.C. Williams due to accusations of verbal and physical abuse, the very public defection of several assistant coaches, and a player mutiny.

Eh, it's just a movie. It's "based" on true events and that's about it. Taking the movie as historic fact isn't the smartest thing to do.

I should break my foot off in your John Brown hind parts for this thread..









































...and then you run a mile.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116142 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:44 pm to
Don't care. Love that movie
Posted by NikolaiJakov
Moscow
Member since Mar 2014
2803 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:46 pm to
This is why you shouldn't depend on film makers to teach you history. They SELDOM IF EVER get it right
Posted by StripedSaint
Member since Jun 2011
2385 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:51 pm to
LEFT SIDE!
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
27391 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 12:52 pm to
I know all movies "based" on events take liberties, and we wish what we saw on screen is what really happened, but they're just stories. And I enjoy the Titans story on film.
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:25 pm to
I enjoyed the movie the first time I saw it, and maybe the second time. The movie became less and less likable as I got older. The dialogue is dumb and it's just not that great of a movie.
Posted by USMCTiger03
Member since Sep 2007
71176 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:36 pm to
Don't forget the film also had to sneak in some gay tolerance lessons as well, albeit in subtle fashion. You're telling me that in that era, in a football locker room, a boy forcibly kisses another boy and it's just laughed at? Like, "silly old Bertier, he should be more tolerant!"
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
71022 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

I know all movies "based" on events take liberties, and we wish what we saw on screen is what really happened, but they're just stories.


It is still possible to make a film based on real events and get the majority of the facts right. A similar movie to Remember the Titans that did just that is a movie called Miracle. While the 2004 film starring Kurt Russell does take a few liberties here and there, by and large it was a very faithful retelling of the events surrounding the 1980 Winter Olympics.

The only real true thing to be found in Remember the Titans was the fact that there was a T.C. Williams High School and that they won the state championship in 1971. Most everything else is just made up.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
16715 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

The only real true thing to be found in Remember the Titans was the fact that there was a T.C. Williams High School and that they won the state championship in 1971. Most everything else is just made up.


They beat the snot out of the other team in the champ game as well. Poor Bertier actually played in the game IRL, didn't crash til later.

Finding out the school was integrated way prior and the combination of schools gave TC a completely unfair advantage ruined this movie for me.
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
Member since Nov 2011
22146 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 1:57 pm to
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RollTide1987

You're overcookin' my grits
This post was edited on 9/8/15 at 1:58 pm
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
12751 posts
Posted on 9/8/15 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

The only real true thing to be found in Remember the Titans was the fact that there was a T.C. Williams High School and that they won the state championship in 1971. Most everything else is just made up.



Yep. That was probably the first instance where I've been moved by a movie only to have it ruined by actually doing a little bit of background research into the story and realizing it's complete horse shite.
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