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re: 108 Answers to LOST's Supposedly Unanswered Questions**Spoilers**
Posted on 6/25/12 at 2:49 pm to Josh Fenderman
Posted on 6/25/12 at 2:49 pm to Josh Fenderman
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It seems like many people were expecting Star Trek where the answers to "How do the warp drives work?" are given in some expansion guide. That shite don't matter.
There's a difference though. In Star Trek, that's expected of technology in the FAR future. Star Trek is literally a few thousand years away. That right there give it freedom.
Secondly, even if the science doesn't work for us, it works WITHIN the context of Star Trek. AND they at least, TRY to reference it and describe it. Warp Drive doesn't matter in Star Trek because it's merely how they get around, it isn't presented as a mystery or part of a bigger whole.
More than half of his answers are "Magic and Science," it's all "magicy and sciency," etc., that's really a cop out ON MOST OCCASIONS. At least describing Desmond's situation is an attempt, that was never a question. But again, they used science.
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Posted on 6/25/12 at 2:54 pm to etm512
this type of crap hurts the show's legacy to the true fans imo
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:01 pm to Freauxzen
Read through a lot, but not all of his answers. Seemed like a lot of his "magicy and sciency" answers are answers to questions that you wonder why anybody would care about it anyway. Same as, who was so and so's mother or father? Answer, who was so and so's mother's mother and father.
shite don't matter.
Just watching the show, you know there's supernatural/paranormal phenomena going on. You can't expect answers to every little thing.
Lost worked for me. I'm fine with how it ended. I'm just glad I don't get a stick up my arse thinking about it.
shite don't matter.
Just watching the show, you know there's supernatural/paranormal phenomena going on. You can't expect answers to every little thing.
Lost worked for me. I'm fine with how it ended. I'm just glad I don't get a stick up my arse thinking about it.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:05 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Posting so I can find later
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:11 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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We can only assume that Walt just Richard Alperted the situation and made Vincent immortal with his Magic Water and Light powers.
Nice. Any show with an immortal dog wins in my book
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:25 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Same as, who was so and so's mother or father? Answer, who was so and so's mother's mother and father.
shite don't matter.
Ah Lost devotees (different from a fan, I consider myself a Lost fan):
"Magic" and "It doesn't matter." The two best answers in most cases.
How could the numbers not matter? And how could they mean so little in the end? That's a cop out.
Same with Walt. Fine the actor aged a bit. Well, use "science and magic," to make his perceived importance fit the story. It's not a hard concept given the rest of the show.
At most points the "super genius alien Walt" idea made more sense than what the writers did.
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Just watching the show, you know there's supernatural/paranormal phenomena going on. You can't expect answers to every little thing.
Then the writers should not put so many "little things," to distract viewers for no reason if those things don't matter.
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Lost worked for me. I'm fine with how it ended. I'm just glad I don't get a stick up my arse thinking about it.
There are equal numbers of people on both sides. Let's be clear. Lost "worked" for some people because they chose to ignore certain facts or ill-conceived show logic, not because it actually worked as a cohesive whole.
It was still a great experiment though.
Also, from the comments:
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I actually think that one of the biggest proofs of Lost's ultimate failure with the viewers is that nothing else has been able to replicate it. Or even come close. Even shows by the same creators of Lost. Everyone tried--The Nine, The Event, Flash Forward, Persons Unknown, Alcatraz...you could list a dozen more imitators without breaking a sweat. And virtually every one was canceled after one season for low viewer numbers. Why? Because after Lost, no one had trust in a "mystery" based series any more. We got burned, we learned our lesson, and while America will put 4 different reality shows about making Cake on the air at the same time and support them for half-a-dozen seasons each, the second we get the feeling the "mystery" show doesn't really know where it is going after all, or starts to go all "Lost" on us, we tune out.
Interesting take on it and contrary to the belief of many that "It's just that no one has done it as well as Lost."
This post was edited on 6/25/12 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:37 pm to Freauxzen
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How could the numbers not matter? And how could they mean so little in the end? That's a cop out.
No one said they didn't. OP explains they did.
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There are equal numbers of people on both sides. Let's be clear. Lost "worked" for some people because they chose to ignore certain facts or ill-conceived show logic, not because it actually worked as a cohesive whole
By all means, keep telling me why I liked the show.
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Ah Lost devotees (different from a fan, I consider myself a Lost fan):
Congrats
I guess I'm not mad because I watched all the episodes season 1-5 in about a month on netflix. Watched season 6 when it came there too, so I don't feel like I wasted 6 years of my life like some people who were let down by the ending.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:43 pm to Josh Fenderman
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No one said they didn't. OP explains they did.
But they weren't just "the numbers of the candidates," that's what I mean.
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By all means, keep telling me why I liked the show.
I'm not telling you "why" you liked it, but like many many things, upon closer inspection it falls apart. The problem I have is when people completely ignore that fact. It doesn't work. The writers weren't that good. And it isn't a great example of what shows should be doing.
You ignore the issues with Lost, just like I ignore the issues with BSG. It doesn't matter though, the issues are still there.
Look at the Harry Potter thread, it's essentially the same type of thing. Plenty of people love Harry Potter, but there are a lot of problems.
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I guess I'm not mad because I watched all the episodes season 1-5 in about a month on netflix. Watched season 6 when it came there too, so I don't feel like I wasted 6 years of my life like some people who were let down by the ending.
It's not about wasting time, it's about living up to the potential that Lost created for itself.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:47 pm to Freauxzen
Let me start by saying that I love Lost. The 5 or so years that it was on TV was a blast. There had never really been a show like it before. Tons of mystery, (seemingly) great attention to detail, and truly great characters. And that's what Lost was really about: the characters.
Now, with that said, I hate this guy's answers, and general attitude towards people who ask these questions. It just seems like he has a hard-on for Damon and Carlton, and is fine ignoring some well deserved criticism of the show.
They drew us in from episode 1 about this show where every little thing mattered, and always answered one question by posing 3 more. A few seasons in, they knew damn well what they were doing by showing the ruins of an ancient statue, or briefly panning the camera past a letter on a desk. We all knew it was probably too good to be true, but in our minds we thought, "could these be the best writers ever? Could they really be connecting all of this?"
The answer was obviously no. And the general consensus from guys like this is to treat anyone who feels burned like a dumbass. Do I feel burned? No. People complain about the finale, but a final episode totally comprised of jack sitting down with Jacob's lost journal and reads the answers to everything would have been a lot worse.
I don't mind things staying mysteries. It gives you the freedom to make your own answers that satisfy you. I just have a problem with people (and the producers to a degree) who say we should have never cared about those things to begin with.
Now, with that said, I hate this guy's answers, and general attitude towards people who ask these questions. It just seems like he has a hard-on for Damon and Carlton, and is fine ignoring some well deserved criticism of the show.
They drew us in from episode 1 about this show where every little thing mattered, and always answered one question by posing 3 more. A few seasons in, they knew damn well what they were doing by showing the ruins of an ancient statue, or briefly panning the camera past a letter on a desk. We all knew it was probably too good to be true, but in our minds we thought, "could these be the best writers ever? Could they really be connecting all of this?"
The answer was obviously no. And the general consensus from guys like this is to treat anyone who feels burned like a dumbass. Do I feel burned? No. People complain about the finale, but a final episode totally comprised of jack sitting down with Jacob's lost journal and reads the answers to everything would have been a lot worse.
I don't mind things staying mysteries. It gives you the freedom to make your own answers that satisfy you. I just have a problem with people (and the producers to a degree) who say we should have never cared about those things to begin with.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 3:57 pm to CaptSpaulding
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CaptSpaulding
Great post
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:05 pm to CaptSpaulding
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It gives you the freedom to make your own answers that satisfy you
well the problem with this is 2-fold
1. much of the drama was built around these mysteries. adding in 100 more and forgetting 95 is cheap
2. there were far too many secrets/mysteries and the show relied far too much on them to just use DIY cop out
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I just have a problem with people (and the producers to a degree) who say we should have never cared about those things to begin with.
exactly
i mean this is reaching "they had all 3 matrix movies written at once" levels of absurdity
the writers obviously was pushing purgatory, it was too obvious and too many people guessed right, so they tried to redo the track of the show after about season 3. then it just became a mish mosh of shite as they tried to figure out a way to end it
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:05 pm to Freauxzen
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Look at the Harry Potter thread, it's essentially the same type of thing. Plenty of people love Harry Potter, but there are a lot of problems.
Rowling may have left a few questions out there, but by and large, she did a WAY better job of tying up her narrative's loose ends than the Lost writers did.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the writers obviously was pushing purgatory, it was too obvious and too many people guessed right, so they tried to redo the track of the show after about season 3. then it just became a mish mosh of shite as they tried to figure out a way to end it
I agree.
This reminds me of how Stephen King and Peter Straub wrote "The Talisman" by playing a game of "Can You?". The Lost ending is what happens when too many writers of too little skill try to do the same thing.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:10 pm to Freauxzen
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You ignore the issues with Lost, just like I ignore the issues with BSG. It doesn't matter though, the issues are still there.
It's good to see that you are objective enough to admit this. Without this statement you pretty much come across as a LOST troll. You were disappointed in LOST. We get it. We've gotten that from you many times.
Every show including your beloved BSG has flaws which fans through whatever rationale can overlook and enjoy the show. The reason doesn't have to be rational/logical any more than scifi/fantasy aren't based on reality. 
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:13 pm to Freauxzen
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I actually think that one of the biggest proofs of Lost's ultimate failure with the viewers is that nothing else has been able to replicate it. Or even come close. Even shows by the same creators of Lost. Everyone tried--The Nine, The Event, Flash Forward, Persons Unknown, Alcatraz...you could list a dozen more imitators without breaking a sweat. And virtually every one was canceled after one season for low viewer numbers. Why? Because after Lost, no one had trust in a "mystery" based series any more. We got burned, we learned our lesson, and while America will put 4 different reality shows about making Cake on the air at the same time and support them for half-a-dozen seasons each, the second we get the feeling the "mystery" show doesn't really know where it is going after all, or starts to go all "Lost" on us, we tune out.
Not that interesting a take....None of those shows had anywhere near the same initial intrigue that Lost had.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:14 pm to Green Chili Tiger
i was an opoen lost hater after about 1/3 of season 4. i just couldn't take the shite anymore, esp once i realize they weren't going to answer anything in any real way that made sense with seasons 1/2
listening to my friends talk about lost from that point to the last 3 episodes (which i watched), i just can't help but think they just ignored speculations, expectations, questions, etc. it's like they were so invested in the show that they just forgot all of their desires of the show
i'll give lost credit, it made people respect it as an institution more than what was actually on screen
listening to my friends talk about lost from that point to the last 3 episodes (which i watched), i just can't help but think they just ignored speculations, expectations, questions, etc. it's like they were so invested in the show that they just forgot all of their desires of the show
i'll give lost credit, it made people respect it as an institution more than what was actually on screen
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:18 pm to St Augustine
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Not that interesting a take....None of those shows had anywhere near the same initial intrigue that Lost had.
I'll give you that. But single arc mysteries are a hard sell now, that's the point. And a pretty good one. Flash Forward WAS doing ok.
He's also missing Fringe, which has been sucessful and is far more clear than Lost.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 4:59 pm to Green Chili Tiger
I'd be interested to see if there is any correlation between how people answers the following two questions:
1) Did you like Lost?
2) Do you think you can enjoy sex without it ending in an orgasm?
1) Did you like Lost?
2) Do you think you can enjoy sex without it ending in an orgasm?
Posted on 6/25/12 at 5:00 pm to Freauxzen
See I feel like every question I needed answered was answered and that the things that weren't directly answered were hinted at enough that I was able to draw an educated conclusion.
Also it was more about the characters than they mysteries.
Also it was more about the characters than they mysteries.
Posted on 6/25/12 at 5:07 pm to The Eric
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See I feel like every question I needed answered was answered and that the things that weren't directly answered were hinted at enough that I was able to draw an educated conclusion. Also it was more about the characters than they mysteries.
I could not agree more.
That show had so much more to offer, in the end, I didn't need answers to everything in order to enjoy the journey. As with just about any story, great characters, flawed as they were, is what the story was really about.
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