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re: Yulman Stadium Capacity-24,000

Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:43 am to
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:43 am to
This will be badass imo. Im an LSU grad but I wouldnt mind checking out a game here.
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:49 am to
I'm want to check out a game there too, probably the Ga Tech game, LSU plays a pansy that night anyway
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 10:54 am to
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23K





Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22784 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:01 am to
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they'll make a lot of money on the stadium, especially as there's no debt service.


You sure about that?

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Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but there is certainly debt associated with this project, that will need to be serviced. There are 2 more bond series which have the stadium listed as financing purpose.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 11:04 am to
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Im an LSU grad but I wouldnt mind checking out a game here.


Yeah, the marquee high school games should showcase some nice talent.
Posted by wizziko
New Jersey Nets Fan
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 12:01 pm to
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Yeah, the marquee high school games should showcase some nice talent.


that ain't happening
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6378 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:18 pm to
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ou sure about that?

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Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but there is certainly debt associated with this project, that will need to be serviced. There are 2 more bond series which have the stadium listed as financing purpose.

Tulane uses bond financing for capital projects, but if you read the details, at the time of the issue, (over a year ago) there were nearly $50 mill in donations (pledges+receipts) for this project and they expect to have it all covered. So they may keep the donations in a separate invested account and use it to pay off the bonds, as many NFPs and FPs do.
Anyway, the point is that operating revenues will not have to be used to pay the debt (and if so, a small amount).
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31328 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 1:38 pm to
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MasterofTigerBait


Whats funny about my statement? There are three high school stadiums in Texas that seat over 20K fans. You acting like it was such an absurd notion is simply incorrect.

I've got no issue with the capacity of Yulman. I think its perfect for what Tulane is trying to do, right now.

Dont make me regret giving out goodwill to Greenies.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61313 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:17 pm to
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Alamo Stadium in San Antonio seats 23K. Its not like its way off.


yea and that is also the largest capacity in Texas and is used for 8 different schools in San Antonio.

and I was initially responding to JEAUXBLEAUX who acted like Tulane's stadium size is typical of a small Texas HS which is patently false.

Again, we only have 3 stadiums that go past 20k, they all have multiple schools using them, and one was specifically built for an MLS soccer team and would have never been that big if it was only for HS football.

20k is not a typical size for Texas HS football at all.
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:20 pm to
I think Tulane having their own stadium is definitely a positive but man that is one ugly arse stadium.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31328 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:25 pm to
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I was initially responding to JEAUXBLEAUX who acted like Tulane's stadium size is typical of a small Texas HS which is patently false.

Gotcha.

Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7797 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:30 pm to
lol chill brah, technically you were 1k short

But i concede
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61313 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:34 pm to
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lol chill brah, technically you were 1k short


technically 7.

SRO is counted as part of your total capacity thus Tulane's is technically 30k (though it is true seating capacity is just 24k according to the article)

for example, counting SRO is how Jerry is able to say Cowboys stadium holds over 100k.

in fact, there are a few school's and teams that will also sometimes count all the people like ushers and concessions sales staff as people who are "at" the game.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22784 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 2:55 pm to
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that ain't happening


Oh no? Literally everything I have read, including the stadium agreement,says there will be high school games hosted.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22784 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:14 pm to
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, at the time of the issue, (over a year ago) there were nearly $50 mill in donations (pledges+receipts)


$40M in pledges +$7M in receipts. Pledges are not guaranteed by any means, and there is not timetable for collection. This isn't exactly A/R, people will pay when they are ready, and would probably lie to see the stadium and how they use it.

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they expect to have it all covered


Says they expected to receive $8M more by the time of the completion date, doesnt say they expect to have it all covered; in fact, they give no guarantee they will collect any of the additional pledges. Per the Bond Official Statement:

$7M in Current Donations (at time of financing)
$35M Series 2013A applied
$12M Series 2013C applied
$8M in Donations expected between debt offering and completion
$62M which agrees to total projected cost at time of offering

Regardless, lets say they collect all of their pledges. This project is over budget. See quote from Rick Dickson below:

quote:

he other part is that I’m in this office so infrequently because this is turning out to be above $75 million project and it was initially set out to be about $50 million


LINK

Point being, even if they collect every dollar from initial pledges, they went 50% over at $25M. They already spent the borrowed funds on the stadium, and will therefore have to use stadium revenue to service that debt.

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So they may keep the donations in a separate invested account and use it to pay off the bonds, as many NFPs and FPs do.


They have spent every dollar as it came through the door.
Posted by Victor
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
11 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 3:18 pm to
How many universities can raise $72 million dollars cash from alumni and friends of the university without taking out loans or bonds for a new football stadium exclusive of land costs. I hope in time with success on the gridiron we can eventually raise it to 50,000 capacity which would be great for a top academic private university. Unless you want to accept us back to the SEC where we were a founding member!
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6378 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:06 pm to
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They have spent every dollar as it came through the door.

No they haven't. Every dollar, obviously, is encumbered when it comes through the door, to the project or to the debt service. But they expect to have the 70 mill raised. And if they don't, the debt service is low anyway for a stadium, especially at the selling prices (the 2K donation seats have been sold out for weeks; most of the 25K and 50K boxes are sold).
Posted by tickfawtiger
Killian LA
Member since Sep 2005
11509 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:44 pm to
Y'all think LSU might be interested in say, a 10 for 1 schedule agreement ?????
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
53795 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 4:52 pm to
Yeah bc the uptown hs that would play there suck...

I still think if tulane ever hosts another powerhouse, it has to be in the Dome. p5 programs won't agree to play there
This post was edited on 6/13/14 at 4:59 pm
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
22784 posts
Posted on 6/13/14 at 5:02 pm to
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But they expect to have the 70 mill raised


Ok, we could argue about this, but who are they, and could you provide a link? Are we just going off of hearsay from the athletic department?

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And if they don't, the debt service is low anyway for a stadium


Compared to what?

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No they haven't. Every dollar, obviously, is encumbered when it comes through the door, to the project or to the debt service.


Well, if every dollar that has come in is encumbered, what's the difference? Its money that will need to be spent to go live with the project. I think we can both agree that they are in a shortfall between donations and construction costs. At the end of the day, that difference is made up by borrowed funds.

We don't need to argue whether they will collect the entire project cost, but if you don't believe this stadium has been a strain on the University financially, you are kidding yourself.
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